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It is not a feature. Just a design decision. With pros > and cons. Doing the opposite would also have pros and cons. > > I suggest you to elaborate about what exact properties of outlines you > are missing. OK, a design tradeoff was made, with a cost and a benefit. The cost was the restriction at hand. Its mention in the FAQ is indication that it does actually affect people. Tomas also just replied that it's sometimes an obstacle for him, which he needs to work around. So, that addresses the cost. What was the benefit?