From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: 'Double-entry' journals Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:52:10 -0500 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1599998679==" Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NsUC6-0003sn-Np for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:52:22 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44467 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsUC1-0003rx-QA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:52:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsUBx-0008PX-M1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:52:16 -0400 Received: from mail-px0-f204.google.com ([209.85.216.204]:51874) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsUBx-0008PN-EG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:52:13 -0400 Received: by pxi42 with SMTP id 42so2122348pxi.26 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:52:10 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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My current/previous setup: - I use a modified TiddlyWIki and create daily journal entries like this: --- Create tiddler (page) with the title being the day's date --- Using the PartTiddlerPlugin, I surround notes for each unique project with notes about project --- I have separate pages for each project where I can extract the notes in between the respective tags using some TiddlyWiki scripts such that I look for all journals tagged with projectX, print the title of that journal (the date), and then print under it the notes between the tags --- In this way, I have both a chronological set of journal entries as well as a running chronological set of entries for any specific project - I was using features from Phil Hawksworth's Team Tasks ( http://getteamtasks.com/) TiddlyWiki features, but didn't really like that... so recently I have been using Tracks (http://www.getontracks.org/), a ruby on rails app. --- The TiddlyWIki was just clumsy with respect to tracking the tasks. The ability to link to a 'task' (which was really just a tiddly page) was great, but the viewing was horrible... --- Tracks has been pretty good, but I have to have my desktop running the server so that I can log in from my laptop when I'm away at a meeting. Since I can't seem to make it work with my database stored on my company network share, I'm out of luck for keeping a central database for when my desktop is down... also, when I need to reboot into Win (I usually am running linux) for CAD work, my task server is offline which is never good. So, enough rambling. I love the idea of org-mode to handle both aspects in one place as well as all the other magic it can do (keep in mind I'm just learning emacs as well!). Here's the questions: - What solution/file structure would be recommended for the above? --- Namely, I like the idea of daily journal entries so that I work in one file per day (date.org) vs. many (proj1.org, proj2.org...). Is this not the 'org-way' (is it easier to keep a file per project)? --- Can I make something (a headline and the notes below it) a 'double-entry' item? In other words, if I keep the file MainProject.org and tag a bunch of headlines in my journals with MainProject, can I get those items to also appear in MainProject.org without having to add them in both places? - Are there any other suggestions for how to do something like this? I'm new and open to other better ways. I saw Carsten's presentation (not the Google Tech talk one) and am somewhat against the idea of a huge, long file. I guess if you can collapse it enough it's fine... but it just doesn't feel right. I love my current method of just keeping a journal entry per day and letting my TiddlyWiki code automatically update the project pages accordingly. Starting with a way to replicate that functionality as well as adding in the todos all in one place would hook me on org-mode for sure. Best regards, John P.S. I was not sure what to search for in order to find out if there was an implementation for this. I read under the manual about linking and did some various searches regarding 'wiki-like' behavior for org-mode (as this felt like what I'm perhaps trying to do), but nothing really seemed to apply to this; mainly, nothing about having two 'snippets' mutually update one another. --000e0cd32f162cda0d0482201c09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,


I'm quite new to org-mode but am very excited about hand= ling a lot of my current notes/task issues. My current/previous setup:
<= br>- I use a modified TiddlyWIki and create daily journal entries like this= :
--- Create tiddler (page) with the title being the day's date
--- Us= ing the PartTiddlerPlugin, I surround notes for each unique project with &l= t;part projectName>notes about project </part>
--- I have separ= ate pages for each project where I can extract the notes in between the res= pective tags using some TiddlyWiki scripts such that I look for all journal= s tagged with projectX, print the title of that journal (the date), and the= n print under it the notes between the <part> tags
--- In this way, I have both a chronological set of journal entries as well= as a running chronological set of entries for any specific project

= - I was using features from Phil Hawksworth's Team Tasks (http://getteamtasks.com/) TiddlyWiki features, = but didn't really like that... so recently I have been using Tracks (http://www.getontracks.org/), a r= uby on rails app.
--- The TiddlyWIki was just clumsy with respect to tracking the tasks. The = ability to link to a 'task' (which was really just a tiddly page) w= as great, but the viewing was horrible...
--- Tracks has been pretty goo= d, but I have to have my desktop running the server so that I can log in fr= om my laptop when I'm away at a meeting. Since I can't seem to make= it work with my database stored on my company network share, I'm out o= f luck for keeping a central database for when my desktop is down... also, = when I need to reboot into Win (I usually am running linux) for CAD work, m= y task server is offline which is never good.

So, enough rambling. I love the idea of org-mode to handle both aspects= in one place as well as all the other magic it can do (keep in mind I'= m just learning emacs as well!). Here's the questions:
- What soluti= on/file structure would be recommended for the above?
--- Namely, I like the idea of daily journal entries so that I work in one = file per day (date.org) vs. many (proj1.org, proj2.org...). Is this not the 'or= g-way' (is it easier to keep a file per project)?
--- Can I make something (a headline and the notes below it) a 'double-= entry' item? In other words, if I keep the file MainProject.org and tag= a bunch of headlines in my journals with MainProject, can I get those item= s to also appear in MainProject.org without having to add them in both plac= es?

- Are there any other suggestions for how to do something like this? I&= #39;m new and open to other better ways. I saw Carsten's presentation (= not the Google Tech talk one) and am somewhat against the idea of a huge, l= ong file. I guess if you can collapse it enough it's fine... but it jus= t doesn't feel right. I love my current method of just keeping a journa= l entry per day and letting my TiddlyWiki code automatically update the pro= ject pages accordingly. Starting with a way to replicate that functionality= as well as adding in the todos all in one place would hook me on org-mode = for sure.


Best regards,
John

P.S. I was not sure what to search for= in order to find out if there was an implementation for this. I read under= the manual about linking and did some various searches regarding 'wiki= -like' behavior for org-mode (as this felt like what I'm perhaps tr= ying to do), but nothing really seemed to apply to this; mainly, nothing ab= out having two 'snippets' mutually update one another.
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