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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1664290536; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=aAQXaJxfQY8J6YXA670+S5LBTmC9WqkZm8LEUe911Lk=; b=lksjshw9LemWiMA0HHPTBxd8o1JOWilfmxxuM4MzrYSmlNLu7p0p1HYqte1B5KOOXEHpV/ LkE3J3Sp4PzAZPM6D91O8fJ6Zk8gArYKVmQJaUJrURzRfl9k+NGvo0QjHMpjjiKR+www7O pc++QBKhbpEEqNgr6xvS3F5EI4EmxzwIlUzcB1y20UHC93Yp2hRxEejKnzJ71Ci2n/tu1K Blv4SYCEjEFJiVmkQ26HO1FHIHy0437A3t1XodT9+wurPlmSjoi11Kysewas+zF9/l39Cw MRYHnWagILImh/RY3oM1RyakGJ9vEyzc1juCEHIuJQ/ae00ny3fB2FtNpVStNg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1664290536; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=n0y9L4KZ5/AzR49blx8SWgdpTz6zkITxPSWtsO4cEaWWgVTZ/kXUCbXXoAj1pV12ZTpOEB j68E9J9ZMGpheolYSXBEOn5tH/vfCC9XlgbvVarKydOfqe5AOz6m08yoNUOHo+I+pl0dXw pTN0N6EgspvKokyMpa2iE/fNJv+iXkBzphefK3W5yiPsncp/xKd+IC1GHeOojQuX2PJt4p +acDp5pdek+ZqaNQapcd8+2xLLgM7yFx6XCoSegSYoawxXdcQ/4LMwXLSEUfWpK/vwrFvU F1uNRPaWB7E7/10y+zvnmh3HX9Rm516MXTU1wEg7M5A9nywuANOqxZ+a6d9iIw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.14 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8DFA2E18D X-Spam-Score: -2.14 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: shmIQkso98ej * Tim Cross [2022-06-21 02:43]: > > Russell Adams writes: > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:03:15PM +0000, Juan Manuel Macías wrote: > >> I've been intrigued with GNU Hyperbole for a while. I'm reading the > >> documentation and trying it out a bit. It seems that its button system > >> is very powerful. But Org links are also powerful (and exportable), and > >> can be extended outside of Org docs. It seems that hyperbole offers some > >> cool stuff that Org also has. And other things that are not in Org. I > >> find some parts a bit confusing. I wonder if anyone is using hyperbole > >> with Org and can put here some minimal workflow example where both > >> complement each other in some way. Just in case I'm missing something > >> useful... > > > > Juan, > > > > I've often wondered the same thing. I've looked at Hyperbole several > > times. They have been great at advertising when a new release > > occurs. Yet I find that I can't really find a useful feature in it > > that I don't get from Org-mode. > > > > Is there some keen feature I'm missing? What's the use case for > > Hyperbole if you're already an Org-mode user? > > > > https://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ > > My experiences with it mirror yours. It looked interesting and there > were some ideas which sounded interesting, but when I came to use it, I > found little, if anything, which didn't have a close equivalence in org > mode and many things in org mode which it did not have. > > In the end, it came down to asking myself do I really want yet another > information management framework in my life and the answer was no. I do > vaguely recall (it was a while ago) there were some ideas I thought > would be good to add to org mode though. Unfortunately, I cannot recall > the details now. I somehow cannot relate to it, Hyperbole and Org mode are quite different things. I have Hyperbole all the time here running, no matter if I use Org mode or what other lightweight markup language. Let's say there is region marked, I use sometimes Hyperbole to search Internet for marked term. That is not related and not comparable to Org mode which is meant to handle markup in a text file. Hyperbole is what it says, extravagant exaggeration. It is meta to Org. I have specific window setup with different buffers and I want to remember it, then I use Hyperbole {C-h h w n a} to remember it. One can understand it by running demo {C-h h d d}, it is not related to Org mode, it is to be used in Emacs over anything, regardless of modes. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/