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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645802396; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=DWoQckvz0XCgh+vPQ15JdPsUUqOplpLbobnXAAf5LtY=; b=D/+80r/N0jNRzmAWi4E42IDfeMJ81n6sySJVoGPtTarWZXtvwyh6VwFC+S0bRqfp2hVA1V ziSpX3Uq/omLELmj8LALCKCmpDWBnrK/eyNUBn1WMb0Z+nt+cD7vj4YCjb9BS/x1TRNdSi 4i1NQb/T/xzIQlTE9R9N4bP2VlgSk5ljCg41y2LZWcHXhYvcfkhTYXu7w6I7wUpU0mZafc TiySBe0YqsLJfz7ljiPO/2+HL/1VJy1OjgkWVj8gcv6j3yKIEblsvia1+DGTQNnv/wnjZC 4xjhCpzviF9A8EtU4+I/6qfRpQ4bctAbx6XvxWDmPyaWxLAL8KlzTc0oHo4zjQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645802396; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=l92OER3m8WVRShZ4BB7QN3F+acrNYt6J+ekhm1mko6kJbPTDJSCvUUI/HF28QnPBD38fhE so95MsuprnfgHZ1XF/2+lITji6Ma4nZa4ewkC0A+ZesDZ5HWa0V6FuZJCzkg69NJ/W2STt d4qf46QBGNxJfk5Zb1yRqMSLfyaJeGRX5Y/6sWvwSoepmEVYJJYNy6xsiROyvCohTjZz5x kMqMVYgOcMClFCZZlUt2JJsqRWDlBCrL7iDzDVRV2QWBjw7XJqpwBUb9C2Ae4m2S9AJ6p0 3704L6RM8cwiw1tI0/8FcogzeB+9GT0k+M9hJqWZei9f7Wg16jly0p8KCF1SUg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.93 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E6341246EF X-Spam-Score: -3.93 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: V+YMYPmscAOS On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 02:24:53PM +0000, c.buhtz@posteo.jp wrote: > Dear Ihor > > Am 25.02.2022 15:18 schrieb Ihor Radchenko: > > Org has no official GitHub page. This is partially a requirement from > > Free Software Foundation: > > https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/standards.html#References > > I totally and absolute support that FSF requirement. > > In that case I would say org-mode does violate that requirement because > there is a GitHub and a PayPal link on the landing page. Those are links to supporting our maintainers. Not a project repo. > And on the Worg page (which is "official" from the new users point > of view) there is also a GitHub link. It does not matter that there > is not code on GitHub and that this is only for > sponsoring/donations. You have the link and the logo so you > "promote" that stuff that the FSF do not want you to promote. I think that's a bit hazy, as they are services and not software. The standards specify not to promote non-free software. While I don't like Github at all, in this context it's only for the sponsorship solution. That's a service like Paypal. I'm not sure what a clear answer is here. I don't like having any mention of Github and non-free services myself, but I respect that we need to support the maintainers and that may require using common services. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3