From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id 0K+0B15ScWEbKAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:43:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id CJVLA15ScWEvLgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 11:43:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA5CF34B0F for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:43:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:52254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdWTk-00034z-9p for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:43:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdWQY-00033t-70 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:40:07 -0400 Received: from se12.route25.eu ([2a00:f10:402:781:1c00:26ff:fe00:2553]:34548) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdWQP-0003al-Kv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 07:40:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:39:35 +0200 From: Russell Adams To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Clarify bug report requirements wrt mailing list subscription Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 185.87.184.57 X-SpamExperts-Domain: out.pcextreme.nl X-SpamExperts-Username: 185.87.184.57 X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Class: ham X-SpamExperts-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.15) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Pt3MvcO5N4iKaDQ5O6lkdGlMVN6RH8bjRMzItlySaT9WLQux0N3HQm8ltz8rnu+BPUtbdvnXkggZ 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5xiExUbNqvmdkLSOzf1W2Y3z8hkeSqZT0W1YMl0fRDa99cV PSoHm0W/3adFfiYl2ntLceuBJHOSgBN0M3ApFEsi/T4GcPvCLvSpAEEGy7kYxsD3QRUnhlexiXT3 xXuXeIhevFP+kOiMW3ZJfjMJYMEj+gaXrHkgRC7/tI3CjXmVynNT+qOXWUkdHa3rpzNd9fTHh0cQ L0Ci0sRm4Wh/iZxmIh7KPOCjtDjCJbuSnMNTpcztdQUSqk/AeLi65+4s/LrywTM2yEHEhvC9Izsy /NENTMQ3Kg3hL2oXz5A5E5R/dS4GkJ5hfB+qWugfDEytZYoACfRtBjLzEjgIZNLWhI/Mshn3T8Ox KyIrAogwLlirll+u0Sc2bgjgy6NE5WzPnrJ1fJyKyenPq733oZ8bAyJmHQrtppYmxMktfUX7kfB+ UdezYqxGMqsKjARq8PBC4qgxMmglBiLsgrvXOb7qEGUwgxHIagHkgJmlqPNWnLI1oovhSJcbnX/H QqL/X9rNCJCc6iESJvKm1NV8gkr+Wu8ScVDXinOVyuIpITQ9z3M3DJ8yTUE5ABY7lZUQaTevIGE+ W38Ad5gogTzaVrxCCZR8udu5L/727lJf3u4+qjXtRgeYUOp7A73HI6oJg7w/VofXNtJGfb5qBubz eax4SnFxX0vbOV1GC4tWSdMEfX0qZk++GRKi3fJfRTPr/PuJHE3m6VivjERwJCPAqPqAny+5dxGq bFPaf63IwETnO6Zd41/1DBiqEJc1KT8/jLZCHRjM/XtMTShWMCtrEqV+qxGiZuM7jUXIESohoO51 xWmU8XVM/nDHjrAGU5vVL4XTIv4MLPip/u1PihktsjK9KjB8YeKFIoZNCEtidK7IlrsGUp+i+6nm 8QLONw0zB8awNr0L/wzCdtFGkMNi6UfW3mVmwk3xC0YEqah8H9zG7AE/EhqZfqbUZNOrBWY03CEu +85tl6nIiSdD++5RdEBEl+IPHAXz/6s5FV11bC5ISFJqlg03a6SLNhJ6Q12/4jZa7jE= X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@semaster01.route25.eu Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:f10:402:781:1c00:26ff:fe00:2553; envelope-from=rladams@adamsinfoserv.com; helo=se12.route25.eu X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634816605; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=RZsoZOkVxIYKAnS95LjwVX72UiOfMY9B5QwnyyovqO0=; b=eZatsY3b9l4NTZDwXAVtnw4jQgxcO8XRxauRoQEkwvlnKNrHBxKllU5002MgF/xUseQHLw 5KnKhfEIEokZ8glwT7h8zOrEptVwatw/Eys0PgsWSyVRZ/2cmdw0A/l9uAzkOd3Lya6Ft7 E2gV0vdZIGiaY+MMYMMGbasTMmWBB2RMRIlKXuj5VrwyeRpom9/xGWgkhABejXCcMSR7FY 7p5Jcz34gj55bk4+tTluUzNP24ngyEWn/99wDGGDIuMh3xu2m84pb/GmQO/QPlFkx8Q1mq w4K5xHKor//Z9M9oU08l74URvpyGXESttuxd1lAU5sGzzEF6VsmIX9G133h5QA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634816605; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ROWkOAOyYbzVDnHP3PExa58luBea8pKIJ41CwDawZCV5LY2wBRSjOnocZvdDQcwRtYmquN 6KveqCVc8XuEr4UNp1Lh5yfWThq+Ogo/sulfga217JPy3sAbpLvkNg7xSurQwVLqfOplo4 D9CWF1X1CwsXTK6mi4Ee6oEpbl2699lgoQ/tYN5CNB/rFZUFO5m1jRZrtDXbihSM07qW32 fSq9eDPJ4NetDsxuSTrY5Sc2GrHt1c8zjRMnZbgRC4NL2gII/J00YARQcd/Bi5UMumRRH8 UeWAKX2V9jR526x8yd5ZyVGCLaxluvYkJyBlkTFrzjM2BLc8x0Az7aADk0Vdhw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.83 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: AA5CF34B0F X-Spam-Score: -0.83 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: URRvPanscUtK On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 08:33:42PM -0300, Carlos Pita wrote: > I find the instructions about bug reporting in [1] lacking a heads-up > that subscription to the mailing list is a (soft?) prerequisite. It's > true that it links to [2] which states: > > You can subscribe to the list from this web page. If you are not a > member of the mailing list, your mail will be passed to the list > after a moderator has approved Subscription is not a prerequisite to sending your message to the mailing list. If you do not subscribe, your message will wait for moderation. There is no guarantee that your message will pass moderation quickly, it could be many days because we have only volunteer moderators. Once your address has passed moderation, if you aren't already a subscriber, you will be added to a list of authorized senders so you don't have to wait in moderation again. Either way it's true that the mailing list has some reasonable protections against spam. I'm sorry if that's caused you some frustration, but we're all just volunteers with limited time. I find the Org list policy to be very liberal. I am on other mailing lists where subscription is mandatory to send any message, and unauthorized senders are ignored completely. > but also it's true [3] states: > > The Org mailing list is a members only mailing list to prevent > spam. Membership is freely available and only requires that you > subscribe to the list and confirm your email address. > > Moreover, that it seemingly is a soft requirement implies that I'm not > getting any feedback for some time about the status of my report. Indeed. Spam protections can cause problems. However, what are your expectations regarding a response for a bug report? Specifically are you referring to the time until your report shows up on the list archive, or the issue itself is addressed? I agree we should try to effectively communicate what you should expect when posting a bug report the first time, and how quickly your report can reach the list. (ie: instantly if you subscribe, or expect delays in moderation) As to how fast the bug can be confirmed or addressed, there are no guarantees. > What do you think of: > > - Adding some brief mention to subscription in [1]. I've updated the Worg page, it should be pushed out soon. > - Resolve the apparent contradiction about subscription being a > prerequisite or not between [2] and [3]. I've updated [3] as well, pending next update. > [1] https://orgmode.org/worg/org-issues.html > > [2] https://orgmode.org/org.html#Feedback > > [3] https://orgmode.org/worg/org-mailing-list.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3