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Please > check the documentation. If I set `org-adapt-indent' to 'headline-data, I get that same behavior that after pressing ENTER on headline line, position becomes indentend. So it does not make it right. My favour was the behaviour how it was before introduction of indentation change: - after headline, cursors went to beginning of line; I find it usable, as that is where I write text. - if I ever wanted to enter properties with C-c C-x p, those were automatically indented, But OK I can personally get used, especially that I these months avoid using any properties in Org mode. "GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.17.4, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2021-05-02" -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ https://rms-support-letter.github.io/