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Yes, it should be nil just as it was in beginning. But there is one problem that I encountered since that was introduced, namely I do like properties being indented under the first letter of heading or on 3rd place. Like this below, however, C-c C-x p will create properties indented only if org-adapt-indentation is t * Heading :PROPERTIES: :ARCHIVE: new :END: But if org-adapt-indentation is nil, it will be like: * Heading :PROPERTIES: :ARCHIVE: new :END: and I remember that behavior before the introduced change was that properties were intended, which does look nicer for properties. But I definitely do not prefer cursor to come indentend after writing a header like: * Heading C ursor on C Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ https://rms-support-letter.github.io/