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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1675239908; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=NUsrSZjADX6EkdJGR6kOKX+v2p4PGF1pUJVQM5kJMTfxWsWlzHMS9dUsYJF+PffNSm3rGE aiky2Pm9LykYe/21cHWO9z1TPgRBOseD1qEWAHYROiYQPa8jNEpGQCRBnEtPc0TLfjX4zv aVSecJr0v8dbF8QrIquPs1l4UFvNue37xqwKrmF6aptyjY+/SGuhVMbVZwxdXNP7nIjS7q zCLrkIOO9fNH66S1FUjgTE4gUtW/1v+khtZ6R8g9sDPg/xvtGEPUvNA8dPkS8fpOz0b2me Dma54WuZ1dj3uIwbCdWvxGbJ2fpojAdlRa3Vcy9j4XBQZTXLQOU30qGAlzSo1w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1675239908; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=KHr+ijEbNqctD1xfzoBM2LqUEe1MlRzLnLlPye+RdXY=; b=XyRpbroZsiSm3GGW/9HLO48RZM1dqVKpGA0FVUlz0tYA5wAYuuGUDCjsmrVQ/EHKLYj1e6 YkRFz8bYp1sd6776i4EBoPX2ZllfA/o0sxZtX2vpkzxUhHbUVfixeyxuQCSPvR9B4CppIX DelswR3ukmSeexajerxHO+GJAlXpM6bQekrLHvahQrCACjK+plKXc8Gt9hdk1LrILAQamg LlHR60vFIeCTRf+EGWc5sRI6c2fA8uUtbypinfFytk8Jk840s4l2yLL5+23L31nFmNTsqn Wf3JQMqOVjdHa6IYolyFnV2UcfFiVkq1Rfa4jL+rsyfy2lT7GprlNfWDtTKFtg== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org"; dmarc=none X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.88 X-Spam-Score: -0.88 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BC17D149FC X-TUID: 2CgkjqinqueI * tomas@tuxteam.de [2023-02-01 10:20]: > Either I understand you wrong, or you don't know what you are > talking about. 2023-03-23 02:30 @Europe/Berlin refers to /two/ > points in time, thus it /is/ ambiguous. If you use disambiguating > "time zones" (MEZ vs MESZ in this case) you can resolve that. Help me with understanding. Which two points in time does it refer? When I use time zone Europe/Berlin, it only refers to following time stamp: 2023-03-23 02:30:00+01 What is the other point in time that it refers to? -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/