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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674070595; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XyPAAyWqLhPLqOgc84ZU6Wokzplj6oQoarh7iJlcDZ+A/UiL66F892x5mJmH3OnPXteRvp /UqlNjq4J5peb/hM9/A7lcsAbJLI93M8e449JQMqgYUfknQM3QVS2uMi7RdGYoC63xxn9+ U2j2HThXndMRrT/vXS3w26lCZpwg1ZI4nawwuzKOOUHn3m4FZTBIRODai1TqzSYbyZli8W JVN1GsS7Y9OVQ+Q17wGXkY96sv7iyPHdbRCYIU2+r3CBVhSNgNAWTE+RtdvHC333k09+D5 nSzKkVb+LIO6757eCHdtmLIUEF6C50dSgV4QtxV+sm3I4ejEJfYMcLI4RErGcw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674070595; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=n2DSIGL1EVzNm4XjQGYJiEcOr2IOLUorsEYrrVpEs2w=; b=UAfdtjSS1L051FiKymSzAulKzJPobKJLMoU7b2DDvISnMOCN+uRLeUdQnFeptWCrm35SNz yQ2f4rXk7hFNRWFkmstwMMqIZ4lY/NlrW4Tw/QRCg6hAfk4PX530OwxgJEb1c3QzoV1F/z I4OY859nElZmieXQ76tz+8eCnvbh7W566ViBzdF9kBfwYqh3ChvzYytJB0C5vZNnQIADQO CygDLnr2/CB8XX0FngNVjNKxGDschbMO69JS6fafLy+QxX9uTo13E9jxGW9mKEdykS3BON 8xsLG5zM6F+dpkeBrrdMGEHYx18sqbICpmiUo/ecvpFX+YAkQXNY4e2LhK9nMQ== X-Spam-Score: -1.93 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 61320D885 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.93 X-TUID: gsGTq7iVUAgg * Ihor Radchenko [2023-01-17 22:51]: > Some good news is that all the above edge cases would equally affect the > current Org's timestamp handling code. Yet, we have no bug reports in > this area. I'd even go further and say that we should not try hard to > make things 100% accurate: (1) it will waste a lot of resources; (2) > users dealing with these edge cases are likely already accustomed to > most programs not handling things correctly for their special time zone > situations. Org shall not handle that, only conversion between Emacs Lisp and system functions. Any maintenance shall be done on underlying level of system functions. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/