From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id IL7bCVqNR2PiJQEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 06:00:26 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id uAnuCVqNR2P/DwEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 06:00:26 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 441C789BB for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 06:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:38594 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oipOS-000834-7A for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:00:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oipN4-00082q-9s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:58:58 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:40203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oipN2-0007Cw-1Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:58:57 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.4.224]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000BBD14.0000000063478CDC.00000D81; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 20:58:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 23:06:48 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Max Nikulin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: idea for capture anywhere in x Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <87tuw31iub.fsf@mm.st> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+37 (a90f69b) (2022-09-02) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Just as user may use Emacs Window Manager, and everything is solved. > I do not mind, but nobody has created a more generic solution that Org can > use as a base to implement its features. That is why I wrote Capturing information is just matter of connecting dots. Win those who have best integration. Org is far from having best integration. Running Emacs server is not easy. Last Emacs survey has shown that just few users use it. Look here the count of users: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=notes Org Capture is 603 users, versus Firefox standard notes. Integration is what matters. I use this extension: https://github.com/vifon/org-protocol-for-firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/org-protocol/ It has 45 users. It works for me without problem. Of course I do not enter information in Org, but into PostgreSQL database, as not to waste time and efforts later. > > I don't know which quoted text you mean and how to add page URL to > > quoted text. > > I mean a note consisting of page title, page URL, and a quote with text > selected on the page. Firefox exposes URL to selection, but I consider a > browser extension as a better variant. You mentioned one extension, another > one is https://github.com/sprig/org-capture-extension/ > > > > Plain text files stored in a version control system allows to review > > > changes done at specific time interval. > > > > To use version control system is non-trivial. To use Emacs is > > non-trivial. Org, anything. What is trivial is to use simple > > applications how they are designed on mobile devices. > > Backups, history of changes, and compatibility over decades may be serious > issues with "simple applications". Emacs Lisp is just glue to PostgreSQL, so I never had problem with compatibility of SQL to some newer versions, that is why there are standards involved. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/