From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id +FzeJmlPTWNMKwEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:49:45 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id OOfhJmlPTWOUUAEA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:49:45 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A24F103DF for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:54200 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okPYu-0006gw-7K for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:49:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46612) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okPWm-0006e0-J4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:47:40 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:40161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okPWk-0003t6-QW for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:47:32 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.87.19.13]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055DB3.00000000634D4EE2.0000244B; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 05:47:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:54:50 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Max Nikulin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Best android app Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org References: <6ce1e2e6-3d21-4ee0-9e3c-80f424984a60@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+37 (a90f69b) (2022-09-02) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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Perhaps it > > > is possible to separate non-free software by some discouraging > > > disclaimer. > > > > If I am not mistaken, you propose or initiate discussing how to list > > proprietary software on some websites. > > You are mistaken. I do not care if such discussion will happen. However I do > not mind to have a peer reviewed list somewhere. It may be helpful to figure > out what features and what workflows have not covered by free > software yet. Of course it is helpful to write free software that implements some useful features found elsewhere. Though for that, we can't steer users to review non-free software as that means to let them give up on their freedom. Many features may be discussed without running non-free sofware. And in same cases one has to run non-free software to write free software. I find it unfortunate that some people create proprietary software that uses Org files. However, IMHO and according to principles of free software, such as not to steer users towards non-free software, then no links to proprietary software shall be added from Org website pages, as Org is part of Emacs which is part of GNU fully free operating system distributions. See: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/