From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id gNnVL2g/62NLhAAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:59:36 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:bcc0::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id kOnEL2g/62Me5gAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:59:36 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5554E37F7D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:59:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRqDJ-0005cF-HJ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:58:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRqDF-0005Yk-UR for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:58:55 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRqDD-0002gA-GH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 02:58:53 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.85.204.48]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000055DB2.0000000063EB3F3C.000070E8; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 00:58:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:00:40 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: tomas@tuxteam.de Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko , Ypo Subject: Re: [POLL] Proposed syntax for timestamps with time zone info (was: [FEATURE REQUEST] Timezone support in org-mode datestamps and org-agenda) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Ihor Radchenko , Ypo References: <87lelce6iu.fsf@localhost> <87357i9959.fsf@localhost> <877cwse95m.fsf@localhost> <878rh5eqz4.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1676361576; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=nOUSCPqS6fx3pVlwkOBUc/S+XoZjrdfAYhVn/0Lb3MbZkxyQuJFd2xm85b1kKUGedpp7MG mkXiCTRzkEDG47gseyA6w+iQ5t3briDpZVckcTFl5EPmK7x4wIU44H5ZcJby7M/i6N9MyE X3t/R8PfBh7RefM37LbwIKe3JhDAmH7sS1IM5VW9DTSQScV26Kmifvp89LEypLl0S/Z/iF wBvv4pDA8WTkAroavK37iUYkBxEA+Xy6YYOXXOAMzj1AuGrC6d2ujJF7dhqJ6HEz/5Jwmc bwQVjeV6vWJDN9LfT14ePH40HoJu5/+xCQkmTIs3CD8xHDqUa1eSMWXWTkvg5g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1676361576; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=xiXvpY7B6dmN2Qa8ov9+Aac3oCpLxbBvTNcl/NB9BVY=; b=RT/PHA2PHNmEnPIdYNP5PJR4V2tD+ZXGws1Uzn14qSw+51bJeUGgCcnSnl76ZMwhevthV2 WUgkpxQ6DjeZs2RVRfIdkxrABSiqDftJKD4vZ8AeML1Avwh04rSj3+0AeFNM2rq9PEBTYK Hnh5UeV1AGoa8ngp0CIDzLG3vD3XjUMzRDAg5ub8DrQmWLsi7pxDsFp2QB27l6IcvbbnAl xu6YZyXD1I9TLjoGS7OHwwxqMldbxYgD7LKKrtE8Si2m2PXdhuIzz03z2K1pbPdz6BoS/+ Wf6jV9n0RFEPbPIa9/7saL2iX9gAAdHlKcLqFWHvttq3XxtQOI+PGAq0sMlcfg== Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Spam-Score: -2.42 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5554E37F7D X-TUID: /H0Ejh7W4vYv * tomas@tuxteam.de [2023-02-12 16:50]: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 12:33:40PM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > > * Ihor Radchenko [2023-02-10 13:48]: > > > Jean Louis writes: > > > > > > > If you start adding in Org "fixed" time with UTC offset, that is a new > > > > type of timestamp, as it is not common in world. > > > > > > It is how ISO8601 defines offsets. > > > > - did you say you wish to represent time with UTC time zone by using > > UTC offset? > > > > - and I said, UTC time is always without offset, and if any is > > represented then it must be +00 > > > > - and now you say that ISO8601 defines offsets... sorry, you are > > confusing me and readers. > > It is not about "the offset OF UTC". It is about "the offset > RELATIVE TO UTC". Yes, surely is clear to me personally. That we got for sure. Then just representation must be clear: @UTC is unclear in those cases, but @RELTOUTC would be clear. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/