From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id OEXUA0TA118XUwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:43:00 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id mDg/O0PA119zCgAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:59 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75DB494023D for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotkI-0006kN-FW for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:42:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotj5-0006hW-HF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:41:43 -0500 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:52697) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kotj2-0000xn-Tc for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:41:42 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.185]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000308FC.000000005FD7BFF1.00006B9B; Mon, 14 Dec 2020 12:41:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 22:39:42 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Ihor Radchenko Subject: Re: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options Message-ID: References: <20201211082501.GA18715@tuxteam.de> <871rfwctb2.fsf@localhost> <87y2i23vhr.fsf@localhost> <877dpklfha.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877dpklfha.fsf@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 75DB494023D X-Spam-Score: -1.81 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: SrXTeapp5R/G * Ihor Radchenko [2020-12-14 15:46]: > Jean Louis writes: > > Do you mean this: > > > > ** DONE Objective > > CLOSED: [2020-12-13 Sun 20:00] > > *** TODO [#B] Step to do 1 > > *** TODO Step to do 2 > > > > when org-enforce-todo-dependencies is true I can still say DONE for > > Objective above. I have mentioned it today already. Maybe it works on > > your side, it does not work here. Do I do something wrong? I am on > > development Emacs version and it does not enforce under emacs -Q ... > I just looked into this more. Most likely you were trying to set this > variable manually. To take effect, this variable should be set using > customisation interface, before loading org, or you may need to run M-x > org-reload. That was it! Thank you. > I also find it helpful to combine the objective + a note about concrete > action to take on the objective. The concrete action helps to get > started on the objective without drowning myself into thinking (but not > doing) about all the things I need to do on that objective. Objectives here on my side also have their description which is meant more as communication, information and instruction to people doing it. Other notes that are maybe useful for management, thinkering, that would rather obstruct execution of single step are not written in those headings meant for execution. > Would you mind writing a paragraph or two to improve the "5 TODO Items" > section of the manual? At least, we can inform people that the ability > to scatter todo items all around the documents does not mean that it has > to be done. That would be nice. But me writing it for many would not be. It is better to define list of various paradigms of planning by group of people who are here on mailing list. Then such paradigms may be mentioned or referenced collaboratively. While this type of planning correlate to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management#Planning it may not correlate to many other people. So various types of planning should be presented in the manual. 1. Scattered method, putting notes, tasks in many various places and compensating for it with org-agenda 2. Project management as given on Wikipedia could then advise for this model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterfall_model#Model and describe such in short with reference to WWW hyperlink and advising Org users to define the objectives and next steps to be followed only if previous steps have been accomplished. It is natural to write notes related to action step together. But to avoid placing notes or action steps from different scope in one file. When one headline TODO have been accomplished then it is followed by next TODO headline. This way the steps are chronologically ordered. What do you think of that? 3. Project planning template could be included as laid out here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_management#Planning but in simpler way with the example Org template for some practical product such as "bread" in bakery or "software project". What do you think? Jean