From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id 0hOJInS5tF+qSAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:04:36 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id MM7PHXS5tF9pQAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:04:36 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DABD894006E for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfGa2-000406-Qy for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 01:04:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfGZa-0003zk-PN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 01:04:08 -0500 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:51221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfGZU-00009f-OK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 01:04:05 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.56]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002C0006.000000005FB4B94C.00003F40; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 06:03:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 09:03:50 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Daniele Nicolodi , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Ignored bugs Message-ID: References: <20201117184130.t67oqxhnkw5rwozx@E15-2016.optimum.net> <7ef0ec5a-276e-ace7-5316-e168373295ec@grinta.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/18 01:03:57 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: J8YXxm4uDXmw * Pankaj Jangid [2020-11-18 05:51]: > Daniele Nicolodi writes: > > > On 17/11/2020 19:41, Boruch Baum wrote: > >> A little over a month ago, I submitted several bug reports related to > >> org-mode, and sor most of them haven't seen any action whatsoever, not > >> even an indication that they were noticed. In many cases, I provided > >> either a total solution or a suggested implementation of a solution. > >> > >> BUG REPORT: 42484 > > > > I haven't investigated further than reading this email, but the fact > > that you are including what look like debbug numbers suggests that you > > reported those bugs against Emacs. > > > > Org is mostly developed outside Emacs and has an independent release > > cycle. Emacs syncs irregularly with the latest released version of Org. > > I was completely unaware of this. I also used to report bugs via emacs' > report-emacs-bug fascility. > > Moreover, I am building emacs from `master' everyday and assuming > everything is latest on this. If Org is a different beast then probably > we should do two things: > > 1. Remove Org from built-in packages and distribute only via ELPA No, please that would be detrimental. Please note how many users use Org who do not have Internet or possibility to update Org. Don't forget that Emacs run on multi user computers. Please see example here of who is using Debian GNU/Linux: https://www.debian.org/users/ I hope you may see many educational institutions and understand that not every computer may be connected to Internet but many will be used by multiple users. > 2. And have a completely separate infrastructure for development, > mailing-lists, bug reports. This we already have. But we should follow > convention so that it is easier for user to report-org-bugs. As long as M-x report-emacs-bug is watched out for Org mode and handled properly and users nicely and considerately transitioned to Org mailing list (warmly welcomed), there is no serious problem there. > > I don't think anyone here really looks into bugs reported to the > > Emacs debbugs instance: time is limited and the version of Org > > distributed with Emacs is very often not the most current one, > > thus the bug reports may anyhow not be relevant anyhow. Those who do not have time, do not have. There are those who do have time and who will help users.