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Is this the first time you see that a Help > command loads something to do its job? Yes, it is surprising. How did Emacs know to load Org to find org-version? I didn't request it to by this action. Or did it do a package-activate-all (or similar) to ensure that everything was loaded? That would be overkill. Sometimes the best answer is 'nil'. -- David Masterson