From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp11.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id 8MlFFFVPRGN3CQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:59:01 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp11.migadu.com with LMTPS id wELLE1VPRGOwqwAA9RJhRA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:59:01 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BED91B2AA for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:59:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35284 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohw7H-00065A-N6 for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:58:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60212) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohw16-0007AW-9G for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:52:36 -0400 Received: from mail-bn8nam04olkn2100.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([40.92.47.100]:20182 helo=NAM04-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohw13-0006Yw-N6; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:52:34 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=TDpo0WkRcaNvHcxXPjkjqG8py4/SMBRp14Sjkr713y9UfzIHSwsb/h4KjKhXbZ3HumtPdolvKIoBNxKHpFAD7fv840NXgqnYal2gTQGf/bwtpey94nFZ9a74x1IFP60G7+UObNeKxtkeTwtYKIKRGJvM94lU9hQJH9/aG1/2GDgtkQTAOEFEwUB2F4PjnAx33wCGPdeNakk90dxbYWxHj2Chk6wMK+8OKF5kxXQuMPoajgE7n2iHbFxRyxEXyZoI32sGhd6p8QMTVhIoPywciw/qf7nS9wGk6XRMWs5ZDYJOlQ0Wmw9UFKRlzsGyhHc/dWxtK0wPELrMult5oZRW4A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=u04OlXPY+yAqtwdCLnYvIa9x9bcqzYiaIPrhXVzlRuk=; b=B8qJOOJY0CcFc//DH/t7t4TdGIf7E571b6OgKULL2x3JpvWTxvgZfPGTyxyoKp7Ce+/ufkAnLgtjIGbTyD6Hf/gNRYLNiycq/shxEse57Xd85vB2HflHSWrI6L81dXYvApO5OpKbhL5RxutVHElzP3o/kA27m3zUmJM9CrRBA8d1Uw0LAZpL0h5dRD6zmQTWpjlKDCFyA2niN4YPV72OEZ3YcW1rJA1f4Yx5RJSP8eyBY+fY4/08Upck0wxYKZC6OwsteaB8Lp6l7e9Lpj6h4g2H83d5AoGXD73V+A6my2SQaXaZ5MRye/+aKe0+Ahh42IyPq7XzVspZE2EG9cutLg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outlook.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=u04OlXPY+yAqtwdCLnYvIa9x9bcqzYiaIPrhXVzlRuk=; b=jAPE1nL1Zeqj0OV9kWVHPry5orCs/bZd9XvAKE9MLGeiktucC9ncNp6Jsw1dXK2Mersj3Ze49QwWUJz9VA9V4lgXmkeoXG9V9V1PfIFMFK/vUwBvyBJiQyLtFBj+mJtvliVhZAQAd4HGLCRSG/tKB9jdT9hzivbv5zqHtex9jbMDLqy7aVongvce3dnqnb3BfVXfh4QqTZxu3pkrbsD1Eb4v1nMtuNKv1l1S4aKzFl1g7T3B3VMcdewQjao1myMaaTkK2fgFF/Jjkd05llpeciMCRDeMlufCHxz48cOsVfWVl59g00JUonB2CW6rJNgQGR3KG1lhvUdz4NE14+MfCw== Received: from SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:27b::11) by DM6PR03MB5275.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:5:24c::12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5709.18; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:52:31 +0000 Received: from SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::61fc:67cc:94e:2a2b]) by SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::61fc:67cc:94e:2a2b%6]) with mapi id 15.20.5676.032; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 16:52:31 +0000 From: David Masterson To: Robert Weiner Cc: rswgnu@gmail.com, Samuel Wales , emacs-org list Subject: Re: Org and Hyperbole References: <813D3F10-3E3C-497F-9FD8-FE0DA13C2970@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 09:52:30 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Robert Weiner's message of "Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:53:21 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Content-Type: text/plain X-TMN: [PEiFDv1pHrWXGN9xJNLtMDJ2fOWh3cn+2sfDHe+UwBoxR77wwYl8LkXtx7Yluz86] X-ClientProxiedBy: SJ0PR03CA0102.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:333::17) To SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:27b::11) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: <877d171v01.fsf@penguin> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 2 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: SJ0PR03MB5455:EE_|DM6PR03MB5275:EE_ X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 89e70a14-1dea-4fad-96e0-08daaadfd29e X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: 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 X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount: 1 X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0: =?us-ascii?Q?VE+eSgI9UeX0U98a8GCkFChvLMAZxT2fCgIUVhixCW0ECsn1XRlG6LoxxuRO?= =?us-ascii?Q?Fz2iwKD6qXNngL1tmh2fDe+UomLG2jsZ6Tp0XPbqkkvHvuvvKh6ZEIqX41eS?= =?us-ascii?Q?h3LZ77rDnhYQ6x4YzTg7lHctBkUJQrS+vwJNjw+Uf12aGKGvgfGnFgQ0umC9?= =?us-ascii?Q?6TuGYu8zWf1U7SQ6aV9qH0fjaQjFxZ56dcWeVa1Gh+LdpiC9087eRoBOr+7l?= =?us-ascii?Q?MA34csDsLvw3Xd/SVvUvq+5KQdvR9qfsz7s/l0yifHWWU0LeUl3SoJ8VSExq?= =?us-ascii?Q?map9sWiA7l3N3Mq1/QLKnQ4OMO3lAeGIul7MvKOAUhNd21rovoxDRCbtVDYB?= =?us-ascii?Q?FdJF0YdHK9FFTAwIZ492Lc2D6rK0N2MgpBnveObY2Mt+JmmkOWMrjdEqKG4a?= =?us-ascii?Q?rIlPGaI7BlWqLW7/GrTOfK1FKnBXZTAXEgtaHhVlFrzUMtF9+nzp9W10DD8f?= =?us-ascii?Q?JwuOtEiB8E+aTaZy0dEurvm037ed7btMy6Lcl++YN7FYzUEp/GUfVkvuY8xK?= =?us-ascii?Q?Tu79//b+i1CL5JMhgWoxUfVTabIsTu6U3ktwEQpw9erLnJv8pkr1Dhbsht8R?= =?us-ascii?Q?ubR/QhVITZE6Fnp4GU3Dmm8tGarrGNHpyxAH58jn0I4YClNOGE1iccFO/ELE?= =?us-ascii?Q?hCCs5ZeKu0UEwnHRhPIwwS81NjVKKQ7SqQLp1e4tlsTKyqzpDxacNQujp65T?= =?us-ascii?Q?C3r3S0Zp3LoZEqVhaXnWxtLKB9h1afDWyr8QhQHC2GrXPCUwH5YOLwFqQyHl?= =?us-ascii?Q?OdU/ihg5V5nBjI2U5KIPt7eFey+hyxgS5e/jcP3HSp0RANCQ2QS6ooyLQe/E?= =?us-ascii?Q?bxH64FXVc3teWRajqNcoK7Ffzsu1u3ptogRz36gxpHXS1kc04pUSECB8znu6?= =?us-ascii?Q?9ADS6lrxM3lqOViS73jqMS6WfWgF72mdGRwf593F+lB82IS+brToxZ84tgNn?= =?us-ascii?Q?/WCwFLY2rG35FfvyAxLZx+C/TzT9rWgWaACHa0PXKrRq3iqbFsRh6eH5uO6n?= =?us-ascii?Q?sZuQ8TL4ZvmgXgInVL4oMXgnY3kr7dh9qFxFq2UI7hLXUrlLH4HoiYNKg6zX?= =?us-ascii?Q?PS9BVyjNnSpVwBD8giLAXQAz9nPhDeYuhWEoLJfIqk7cnG24XE4WtjvUMMBT?= =?us-ascii?Q?ItCsMSO1q6bq36ZpdJuPdshT9XH1tQ6vzdl/+u39NydlWP1r1/bhybaY32VB?= =?us-ascii?Q?77nNU4yUYz3roK7j13sCCqfqhbwjKT2U6m/qpkNajYuqVtACqbGXYUDuFpqY?= =?us-ascii?Q?0BVP3XpHXcRXOzz8aZFrzU0KkncDjwsxMHIXxyV7PDN0ZVyPed3PJkxhJ7jy?= =?us-ascii?Q?MLS+q8oFxCbbTdzZ/7sk7W94wdIlkBRWwpk0QIF+pd9/XKqd9Jdbrd6bbVQk?= =?us-ascii?Q?yOlhflqcO9koZkvNIPzSoYxlewWp?= X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 89e70a14-1dea-4fad-96e0-08daaadfd29e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2022 16:52:31.6414 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR03MB5275 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=40.92.47.100; envelope-from=outlook_98C99531806B1C22@outlook.com; helo=NAM04-BN8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=2; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665421140; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=u04OlXPY+yAqtwdCLnYvIa9x9bcqzYiaIPrhXVzlRuk=; b=PrNUpbczNrie1cFiDykj+ISDMWfRtmaTwmtYYqzzGF9sJpWKiUJ7IsTTPbshsr1vb93kS2 doN/BN81Y4U2sb0fi6OUT3NbzRHGa3m17KAX4Fy8Y9G+6JsGWkZXoY82qim71BNT/kexkD l85IsHiOahl5kN331V5FJMOr7/u6rl/5PvolgLwFIszWkIdvAi5I+Fk4Ht3wIFsWnM6uWw RqHLrUFYmw+ov6Wr42If09pjYa3toX713KPpLSYrASX92chVzalO5AGCxj5sm/IqzmDjI+ Em1wZKSIb/nPQyfuxCG8ZkYpY5Q/AkR+seuu7rAjMCgTYrXqExhVZix8R8QD1A== ARC-Seal: i=2; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665421140; a=rsa-sha256; cv=pass; b=lx980EvgnIFFTvHoMOkbIp+qvSQUCc/cMuwF3w1rXM/ds9HK2h03dc4r5oQiNCJ4slNkCT 6EVuzrr9DG6Uy668AlA8xxfzChI0w2nqgKgUS9v0amj5nqCvspNiriWvkSr7bEwn8u9WlC PXvRUac+S9yIvC/8BqbBZnvTGS9AnELfOE8s0LRUAk0grKMmYNNMZmlMuqU2gAHDRSdmM+ YUC3HZUH9790FJMiM9iN/rUW5AO3/GX9j/hm7/YFQo2HBst3NvzB70uF7RHPcJxjnq2tkl N8HTzV4cSsvGL6wd5qEFGWLBPUG0FSLwcjJFRK2Ud+eKbZ67zGFrxf9kxOqSvw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=2; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=outlook.com header.s=selector1 header.b=jAPE1nL1; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.89 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=outlook.com header.s=selector1 header.b=jAPE1nL1; arc=pass ("microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1"); dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BED91B2AA X-Spam-Score: -0.89 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: hEsFoKiPX9Bd Robert Weiner writes: > Task management is a whole area separate from note taking. This was something I was interested in many years ago but have not been able to publish a system to implement my ideas > therein. Since people generally seem to be happy with Org's todo and agenda features, we expect to just interact with those from Hyperbole. > > But for notes, yes, one needs to capture them quickly and then get back to your former context. Later on you can process them more fully. > > Although I see the great utility in having capabilities on mobile devices, I find most apps way underpowered for constant use. As Emacs becomes more usable on mobile devices, we can > add more mobile-friendly features to Hyperbole. Because of mobile devices, tasks/notes are not just text. -- David Masterson