From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id IOCxFr6n4GE6PwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:29:18 +0100 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id FvRTE76n4GFrewEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:29:18 +0100 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BA3B234B3 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:29:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([::1]:34592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n88ar-00006x-73 for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:29:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n88ZQ-00006U-KN for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:27:48 -0500 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:57500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n88ZN-0005oY-65 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 17:27:47 -0500 Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95173FA0564; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 22:27:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1642112863; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=1qE0hnnc4BMw4uPxZySjpwObLw70dMc0AAU4A8y2HEE=; b=kcz3PUTsfM4Wxh2NEpKfb/tdAN/9SPuK4jU9gbUqm9ta2v5IzzP/44KfebLc+stT 2GQDRD6zJHCVDSpQkVBk+QzxD74Ff5vPWKFo+OhMG/biEZTHED0JQshfC4Z/d00ZcMm eUVDxf03xcpsTlFiKSH45XwkSuyvwU/Uj+n7Mzo4DS2thnRcTXLSgxrzRIiH203xKyx TVrlC7cq2IQoP0eqNgQZR3nxKCqxy3L0OpYTUBXdBUsEhFZntErqlwFwvZ5B1LJLDqn d3MCHFTEmEHxDUAjkLhrTV4sMU6RwTwfOjmo1NTECu5yG8E1OGRhSKUOfZznGPcP9j/ XfretF4r0A== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:27:43 +0100 (CET) To: Tim Cross Cc: Emacs Orgmode Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87mtjzti8b.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87mtjzti8b.fsf@gmail.com> Subject: Playing down the text in org-mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=fatiparty@tutanota.com; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." 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X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1642112958; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=1qE0hnnc4BMw4uPxZySjpwObLw70dMc0AAU4A8y2HEE=; b=Tl+WWVyuXIhn+SM3VA+Obhp092LM0p3YkhgTZvKtwmctHevWoOBmhkkA8FXxGTDhSyhVbF NRL0sJk5Aq6oBIO2qqtGQZhAYFkAouFPAgc0m1NSQm76+grk/IPY8aKddxeLcwioZsTUvl WkLcWZUmuAUKHLpv18aTSHCZooErvwUlh//9aq/hAZW1u0PqfelLSCNRRNCUSLhUBoXhjD UHHExedGrBwNwkYnZ++B+OgoMLl6b7gr80V8+j2CubemzOm767fjdM/gu8pFeJTBBmpbh0 p1sMVvzF1nTaCQVlTLrc9Nf5g7k+PU5A9XiyQAOwWwLcC4gdMA1m6FyovdU/5g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1642112958; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Ro6uLMSud1+ERinnRXNlbpJhz+hdxd2R1KXYZKEMtFI5Ya8FwPh+QXM8fzzywk/HdggGFU vA8UtMVRVb7X6ycfgwylNMPnZ4pdqsSau5XFVVR1Ax35ziMHmvsIh2RNjeUM9hbqXE+RMv bkOU98kYLNfcuNNLQEgstDX0UWJb1vxxsVdq0UEnprDyJeyTIYN5upkNKwloLUYMhfMD3D cuzPCv6Pt1H4UOJKk0th6ETSWNC9tvD9VlMvKzkKrTY3KxgvEgNA43dBjbNdRbOSpLCeqB xSOAm98C4tVdod3sdnNXRpUe4BCnHeUuPnRh6B/PuwhMONKY75b4XgtaKFHi0w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b=kcz3PUTs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=tutanota.com header.s=s1 header.b=kcz3PUTs; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0BA3B234B3 X-Spam-Score: -5.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Z2MG1ac+Mn/r Jan 14, 2022, 09:27 by theophilusx@gmail.com: > > fatiparty--- via "General discussions about Org-mode." writes: > >> In org-mode one can use the emphasizing tags=20 >> >> *word*=C2=A0=C2=A0 /word/=C2=A0=C2=A0 _word_ >> >> Is there anything to perform the opposite, playing down the text? >> > > > No, there are no syntax elements in org mode to do this. > > Part of the challenge here is that de-emphasis or 'play down' is not well > defined. Traditionally, I think the way you handled adding text which > was considered important enough to include, but perhaps tangential or > less important was to use a footnote or margin note. The point of > emphasis in text is to draw the readers eye (and attention) to > something. It is difficult to do the opposite. Furthermore, most > techniques used to try and do this really just amount to making the text > harder to read, which doesn't seem very beneficial for those readers who > want that additional information.=20 > My intention is rather to makes tho text look different from any highlighti= ng on normal text rather than making it harder to read.=C2=A0 Customarily, I u= se bold for all text, making highlighting not standing out much. I would need the "play down" thing for documentary scripts, so they can be distinguished from the "line's actor field".=C2=A0 So playing down is no= t the right word for this. I am playing with foreground colours and height, see what happens. Something similar to footnote perhaps something similar to=20 [mg: marginal text here] With some elisp code to define a face for such occurrence. > Personally, I prefer footnotes, asides, margin notes over including less > important text within the important text because even if the text is > somehow marked visually to indicate it is less important, I still have > to scan it when reading. A footnote on the other hand tells me there is > additional information available if I want to read it and all I had to > scan was a letter. This is also why I prefer Oxford over Harvard > referencing styles. >