From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Loyall, David" Subject: Re: Org Community Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:54:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <513CBC82.4000600@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53195) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF9w4-0000H1-C9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:07:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF9k1-0008MH-CL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:55:19 -0400 Received: from mx03.ne.gov ([164.119.247.103]:34301) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UF9k1-0008Ls-5V for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:54:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <513CBC82.4000600@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" FWIW, I believe that the org-mode community should do what we can to oblige= Jambunathan's request, even if/when we're not legally required to do so. = I think that we should do the same for any human who wants to withdraw from= an endeavor. (Don't each of you feel that your code is a part of you?) Supposing that the group agrees that the code should be removed somehow, th= en at that point we can think about the most orderly way to do it. What ha= ppens, technically, if we mark it all as deprecated? I hope this helps, Dave Loyall -----Original Message----- From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+david.loyall=3Dnebraska.gov@gnu.org [mailto:ema= cs-orgmode-bounces+david.loyall=3Dnebraska.gov@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Scott = Randby Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:02 PM To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: [O] Org Community Last September, I attended a talk given by the lead developers of a promine= nt free software project. One of the developers spoke about the importance = of maintaining a friendly community that does not drive people away. In par= ticular, the developer emphasized that the community is more important than= the code. The org community has been wonderful since I've started using org. My quest= ions on even the most basic matters have been answered with respect and cla= rity. Even though I'm a mere user of org, I've never hesitated to participa= te in a discussion on the mailing list. However, I am concerned about the future of org. There is one individual wh= o is poisoning the atmosphere by engaging in unfair and unfounded name call= ing that simply should not be included in messages to this list. Now this p= erson wants to take some of their contributions out of org. The developer o= f the talk I attended called this tactic "hostage taking" and said that it = is better for the community to let hostage takers go their own way. The pro= ject and community are more important than the code. The code can be writte= n by others, or the community can decide to go in a different direction. Gi= ving in to hostage takers leads to more hostage taking and the decline of t= he project. Many of the users of org find it to be irreplaceable. We don't want to see = org fall apart because of dissension in the community. I'm not saying that = we shouldn't have dissent and disagreement. No, those are essential for a v= igorous and healthy project. It is hateful and untruthful personal attacks = that we should not accept no matter how significant the code contributions = of those making the attacks. Scott Randby