From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 06:49:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ob7z4nzl.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <877gentvmv.fsf@gmx.us> <87wqmmos25.fsf@gmail.com> <20130913100125.257db23d@vknecht-intel.unibw-hamburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_06BB54AA-48CF-4569-A972-FE1F50A777C9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41437) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL4Gn-0004Tk-Oj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:49:18 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL4Gj-0006VI-1B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:49:13 -0400 Received: from mail-ee0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::233]:60785) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VL4Gi-0006VC-Py for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 00:49:08 -0400 Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c1so1327193eek.38 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 21:49:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130913100125.257db23d@vknecht-intel.unibw-hamburg.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Detlef Steuer Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail=_06BB54AA-48CF-4569-A972-FE1F50A777C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 13.9.2013, at 10:01, Detlef Steuer wrote: > Hi! > >> Hello, >> >> Rasmus writes: >> >>> So the question is should it be a default package? >>> >>> I think not. E.g. tabu isn't loaded. Amsmath isn't loaded if you >>> generate a matrix. >> >> I think the "tabu" case (and longtable...) is different from "rotating". >> >> No feature in Org requires "tabu" or "longtable" unless user explicitly >> writes "tabu" or "longtable" somewhere in the buffer (i.e. >> in :environment attribute). >> >> On the other hand, "rotating" or "wrapfig" may be needed without the >> user knowing about it (e.g. when setting :float or :wrap attributes). >> >> Therefore, I think "wrapfig" and "rotating" belong to the same boat. >> Either we require them both in default packages, or we do not require >> any and add a footnote about it in the manual. I have no preference. >> > > I think it is more consistent to provide these packages automagically. > > There seems no downside besides slightly longer latex startup times. > Org already loads some default packages to perform its export magic. > Why not try to be "feature" complete in the sense Nicloas describes: > User doesn't try something special with latex, but uses > commands/options provided by org, so a bare bone export can be expected > work. > > Personally I would appreciate it very much if org followed the > principle of least surprise in these cases, as these surprises tend to > show up, if time is running out ;-) OK, let me ask like this: Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating? - Carsten > > Just my two user cents. > > Detlef > > >> On the same line, we could remove "longtable" from >> `org-latex-default-packages-alist', if only to spare a few kittens. >> >> WDYT? >> >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Nicolas Goaziou >> >> > > > --Apple-Mail=_06BB54AA-48CF-4569-A972-FE1F50A777C9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNTxDAAoJEO+gg/nAZuwMj2AIAK8W/4m3pI5ebQrjvmXuoj0c JLxey9Z5PlhF0FaNecTOWvoYlOwvmXmhqWjRyF68oh7hzcCgmJWmN/aXhcKPzYsX WUU9kZPuyfqrgtTUL8AbanhB7wV+OqDIXoDVwvW7zgtbAht2JSug9L58CrAj9MXx caOCa07O2DMG1MEEDzvhqw71SX4kMzKiL1l0UgmNVMhc4WGDikyqCcU2j4AlfK8S FxhUbc9AoXRILkBAX4Xg9paZwOKhnjsqd9ib0fR5eJi8B47pDkv/m10yGlPhqeta ilSHRnzCYEKCr1RmO2ZIFIU/XrColNwGDvS2t1PcXBekeSHPHfq5hVBzluI6XF8= =bIZA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_06BB54AA-48CF-4569-A972-FE1F50A777C9--