From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail=_65995D13-58B2-4B02-990A-0875AB78EA29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Sep 16, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Carsten Dominik = wrote: > Hi Rasmus, >=20 > On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus wrote: >=20 >> Carsten Dominik writes: >>=20 >>> OK, let me ask like this: >>>=20 >>> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and = rotating? >>=20 >> Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet >> suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't >> look into it as I don't know much about memoir.=20 >=20 > thanks for this. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> OK, so my proposal is >>=20 >> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be >> default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone >> knows. >=20 > Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little > as possible. But convenience and backward compatibility are > also a concern which I would like to consider. >=20 >>=20 >>> - to add the rotating package >>> - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu >>=20 >> Note the package loading order might matter. >=20 > Yes, I am aware of this. Can you be specific for this case? I guess > rotating has no load sequence issues. >=20 > Does tabu have such issues? With which packages (what you know) >=20 >>=20 >>> - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix >>=20 >> and subscripts. And sometimes math (e.g. align). >=20 > amsmath is not in the defualt list, patch by you IIRC. So we actually is *now* in the default list. Sorry for the typo. > do not have to say something about this in the manual. >=20 >>=20 >>> The reasoning: >>=20 >>> - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want = to >>> avoid breaking existing files whenever possible >>=20 >> Assuming a mechanism exists that can detect when tabu is to be loaded >> why only apply it there and not to the other optional packages? >=20 > Because any automatic mechanism may cause problems with load sequence, > so packages that are problematic in this way should require user = attention. > Hmm, have I just argued agains longtbl by saying this? >=20 > Thank you for your competent input. >=20 > - Carsten >=20 >>=20 >>> - rotating is needed for sideways stuff and does not do any harm >>=20 >> Alternative implementation exists, but they are of course not >> supported by Org. Would they be in conflict? I doubt it. >>=20 >>> - somewhat arbitrarily I am drawing the line above the tabu package.=20= >>=20 >> It does seem a bit arbitrary. >>=20 >> Bu people who feel strongly about not loading some stuff can change >> default package alist so it's not a big issue. >>=20 >> =96Rasmus >>=20 >> --=20 >> A clever person solves a problem. 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