From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Thomas S. Dye" Subject: Re: [org-babel] Does org-babel needs some simplification? Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:29:01 -1000 Message-ID: References: <4C296DDA.1080109@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49142 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OTVFm-0005sG-Oh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:29:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTVFl-00006I-7W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:29:10 -0400 Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com ([66.147.249.253]:39926) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OTVFl-00005S-0B for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 03:29:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4C296DDA.1080109@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: Org Mode List On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:51 PM, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Dear All, > > as a (quite, but happy) org-bable user of the first hour I followed up > the development process actively. > Nevertheless, some weeks or months pass where I had no need for > org-babel (yes, really strange I know). > > Whenever I come back to org-babel, it takes me a huge amount of time > to > find myself back again in the syntax. Often I spend a day or two > heavily > reading the website and manual again to figure out how to make it > working. > > There are so many options. tangle files, results, scripting mode, > sessions, noweb, lot, etc. > > Just yesterday, I fighted again to make a simple python script running > as desired to generate an automatic report. I did this dozen of times > and even by using some old report as template I still struggle with > it. > Comparing old reports I noticed that I did it in many different ways. > Tangeling all snipplets, using noweb syntax, with and without session > support, etc. > > Don't get me wrong, I really love org-babel and I think it is really > great. I just wonder wether it has become too complex and too > difficult > to use to attract most of the org-mode people. Esp. considering people > who use it not on a regular basis. > > Best regards > > Torsten Hi Torsten, Part of the difficulty might be that certain default behaviors changed in the last several months. What worked in, say, February might not work the same way today. I've been thrown for a loop more than once when old files didn't work as they once did. So, this could cause problems for someone away from babel for a few months. What would you simplify? Could the library of babel help with this? All the best, Tom