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I am in favor. One of my main problems in learning emacs: I started with evi= l and all documentation lacking the function names was literally a huge sour= ce of frustration. Also, humans are much better at remembering names than hi= gh entropy keystrokes. If I just remember a bit of the name, I can easily fi= nd the key binding in the help. The other way around is not possible. Just l= ike a phone book. The numbers (key bindings) are shorter, yes. But good luck= trying to find 555-12346 when you remember 555-12345. BR Jens=