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For this purpose, what kind of thing is "the Oracle Database"? a. A library to link with? b. A program to run in a subprocess? c. A server running SaaSS? 2. How does Emacs communicate with that thing? a. By function calls within a process? b. Via shared memory? c. Via a pty or pipe? d. Via sockets? The answers are crucial for thinking about what our moral ideas and policies say about this case. > (sql-ms &optional BUFFER) > Run osql by Microsoft as an inferior process. This suggests an answer to the first question. More precisely, it suggests that the answer is b _at least some of the time_. > > Are they nonfree programs, or are they SaaSS? > They are proprietary programs that may be also SaaSS. Does the Emacs support offer to talk with a remote web server? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)