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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665612238; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Yu+g0TTJ1WC+Yi/ullyEM3g5nAXwLeTifnqVFhZIm9o=; b=Isqq+hDdcIblBIH7DCxK+9kIZzA3woHvCDPKTiPkpcBImq1PKzxct0OpzjEOMTKRYmPumI /q2Bja/k9VmZy7c7G1EAABg7cTU4144RBijKyQGRbbLSUST6wT03j0GLyvhmXEPTKqI55+ K0MdSfSekWZr73Wy6dwR2xCoyJY4mI6QcaJtFzG3gFF+seThAFeWRzrLptKGw08ACWfLGb lD1jYplMvCgrwrkSGFoXTKCPoa3VJm+4V5v3CH1Ry1mhrhYDWfC1bEjF1Omo3ov5QJte2G HWBPIIzyleyT+4xJdyxO1+nRGUU+OGKdRKWDbAO1PGgnp+cgO0oepEkFRBfjZQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665612238; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=VEE48221JFz9jfOj9zKZhJMJKQOjwFu+JOh1LfdE7vGNjyN2bfK9fYsesIH34g9GkGrI4f 4SjlFF35w7Qk2iqESkheHw4m5/RTEkSy7OEY39IPY9kLebpk3q7dqTaUm/28zlMpAFys+y B3IXPvx7ctoQdtvGi4XJULh2GoUyv8aCnXgPqg5E677SlGOaxiWvr5XI6H7RPnUV1hPZ1J K81SJGudeavfsJKfO12SMuEld2BQ2xTWWT5lCpznv6T1LHkG3gpmDFRpCFgcdcS5p3JZII We/BxH1H1Lem0C/aGoSNrrLi0rkQu/hJpIBhQ1lZWCqs5t0IwmYhIiJQqrIc4w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=FmCOlH4m; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.60 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=FmCOlH4m; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A94BE8B22 X-Spam-Score: -1.60 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: PqapRvTtLeUi [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I would just like to point out that anyone familiar with writing a > Texinfo-format manual who wants to combine this with Org mode > would likely just want to embed Org constructs, like Org tables in > the manual; not to use Org as a formatter that exports individual > source blocks to form a Texinfo manual (literate programming > style). The proposal I thought I was responding to is different from both of those. It was to make Org format an option for the source format for a whole GNU manual. One that could generate the same output formats that we now generate from Texinfo, and would be able to produce a well-formatted printed manual via TeX. This does not inherently require imply generating Texinfo format from Org format. Texinfo format is a source format, not an output format. However, generating Texinfo format as an intermediate format might be advantageous as a way to feed the Org-format manual through TeX to get a well-formatted printed manual. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)