From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp12.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id QLHIJ7Spw2JktQAAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2022 05:02:12 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp12.migadu.com with LMTPS id eEuSJ7Spw2KiNgEAauVa8A (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 05 Jul 2022 05:02:12 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E2A02B7F7 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2022 05:02:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50020 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8YpG-0008IC-Hy for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:02:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47006) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8YoC-0008I3-5C for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:01:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58476) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8Yo9-0000ik-Mb; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:01:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=W/CsvUHa73I2Z9qw99RXq3qVRpI4OL6YKU7G21+cGhk=; b=iSFo+5wdYPGK COcjCKwemnbBnNCrj86a94U335wE13JvQwa33hzlTs8zrUV5t84SAyYI9t0vOD7YhcjUG7DK6uiS0 r0A0+W74DuszlveyqEQ6e6vom8+qJ52gHZLlgmEF3MyMWgedFv9FhiTJjG5YrLoS7+E7xcjyNtr4F veDJcWmMw6TKmzppVv35rr549I8pYiy/O+zKgXxpJEaa5Z26ox17UIcYUprkf+kkiVdW3081syWaC aoyrXOIQ6WBZAtbmXWV2ZUuDR5rQqGWFYl8nfbDKQZnzyVdn97m75hiQslTJ3cUtZ4q7RZguCU3hE kyO5VNGRbE7mS/+mq52rfA==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o8Yo8-0005Ch-1s; Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:01:00 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: yantar92@gmail.com, tsd@tsdye.online, arne_bab@web.de, bzg@gnu.org, c.buhtz@posteo.jp, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87bku7v4xu.fsf@tsdye.online> Subject: Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github References: <87wncwi2w1.fsf@localhost> <20C8751C-133D-4D3F-99D4-4503F3DB4330@tsdye.online> <87h73zhplz.fsf@localhost> <87bku7v4xu.fsf@tsdye.online> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:01:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656990132; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=W/CsvUHa73I2Z9qw99RXq3qVRpI4OL6YKU7G21+cGhk=; b=WVMwq0X0z2fj2G5PUtp0Lu3aIl0oK2tMIVwhajbHOap1qyj84LGUrBuGCkRBXQLMkuWB9w k1kpbph1H7tTAPO2WHNEBseSHIjUOjZciRmyFPqTfPrwuVkqz2QXmeWiZaYT9lDxbUMTLQ TnYx7iehruXuJTj5GBdJKo72uJ3psOItFwsHK0O4Vf13ve0Abwa1htP7kNW61ihuk08ddY g+waHfUH9jHyQZhVLnJG7UPiDRt8iJqYcHvVk7RrIImD69pAas62LJ4zX5Oyi1vObTxYuQ JTT41PzeWTM8JXUT8GR9IVRDgx4YdPmEBtdwAfeVJx6E6gPPe2rEDpkOagTFcg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656990132; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LziAQ1OiW0lwQFVvb0vyE0S283objb2ihKepOg6uQABB4Lv5JT2XhouQO2kYPIOOLXwLUC AUBmLv1Cb/jmnNg2LasWPHzUPK21WiwJkrUEhELXuhbW5i3yLO2kuQoQbagEwP7mjXPWDH iVAqHJdfH5Cbi+D0MhBywtqHIR8SB2tnRzJP8c5ALuugfoV1o+KyaXglKVC+bS/8GZva/h LM9UbHogMSQlR2RgfaQV0Vgk0JyJSqOd/KMPA1zXhoNtc6jhGKVVBK7rs7yZE5KUtcUqvE YPHc3BHZ9uir7kWZolJCzICGgQ5RDSAnGIojDt3qSDGSViYTytRekqoKra5Tlg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=iSFo+5wd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.15 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=iSFo+5wd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0E2A02B7F7 X-Spam-Score: -3.15 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: BiJudoslNZf+ [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It seems odd that our embrace of software freedom should keep us > from collaborating as fully as we'd like. It's not odd at all. As we see various activities pushed into unjust computing, which requires nonfree software and online dis-services, remaining free sometimes becomes difficult. You may have to refuse to do certsin things "everyone" does. If one of those things happens to be useful for working on GNU, that's not surprising as tyranny marches on. The GNU Project, as part of the free software movement, condemns those systems and calls them illegitimate. How does this relate to what GNU contributors say and do about those systems? Mostly it doesn't. What each contributor privately does with computers isn't the GNU Project's business. We have never tried to make any rules about what computing contributors can or can't use. But we do have rules about what computing they should promote publicly in connection with GNU. For instance, if you want to buy train tickets and maintain your freedom, you need to pay cash at a station. If you buy them by internet, running nonfree JavaScript and identifying yourself, that is a loss to your freedom, which we consider unfortunate. But it doesn't oppose the GNU Project's work, so we don't need rules about that. It's up to you. However, if the web pages for a GNU package were to suggest people buy train tickets via internet, that would creste a moral conflict: promoting, in a GNU web site, the very practices that the GNU Project aims to put an end to. This is what we have rules about. Not rules about whether you or anyone can run a nonfree program. But rules, yes, against publicly legitimizing, or steering people toward using, nonfree programs, in direct connection with the GNU Project. You can say whatever you like if you do it in another context with no visible relation to GNU. The point is that you shouldn't give the wrong idea of where the GNU Project stands on this issue. Meanwhile, we have a potential solution for donating money: GNU Taler. It shows promise, for the long term: even national banks are starting to get interested in it. (See taler.net.) But banking systems are not set up to interact with it today. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)