From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp10.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms5.migadu.com with LMTPS id sJyrNJAnuWLNMAEAbAwnHQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 05:44:16 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp10.migadu.com with LMTPS id GFyyM5AnuWJ6bwAAG6o9tA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 05:44:16 +0200 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E81ED2E727 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2022 05:44:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46128 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5ffa-0008Ut-6r for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:44:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43810) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5fet-0008S5-Lz for Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:43:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58538) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5fes-0005ge-V0; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:43:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=tWucQWDATJDBhjpy5agLN1Q//1AJkpKcc8pHw6wSSEE=; b=SCOQmkXhfQB2 0ebFEnKvbS5sJzNncgKpl2uNikRLtXcAEBJMKrOYZ/dh0u4i4HnRhZ6t2QKgSgbwgthDNkfuPK50o wQBErE2Q/84TNBqlgGmbqHG1IVZ9wesk0+rh1c6VRkdgaaFJnmGD2R7pAzTW5ynv1W5r14qhpc4Pp lQHeNNjMqKAEE5DBwiKqVEPFke+JjAoF5J4R7BzsqGfo1/RZ28wuWIkUiVtLwgUyGnq+G/59feoBK apPS8xQXEtrFpTFD4HnrXMQRNwj2b4uCi5oyVpZXdwbfkxlG71PQbu/k2nFabOWy7jEQB4gyGC3kj f5THzr7PUulZP9Hy6y3Jbw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o5fer-0008T7-R4; Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:43:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: bzg@gnu.org, c.buhtz@posteo.jp, Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87r13kxh60.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:22:31 +0800) Subject: Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github References: <0472f849f3ae42df68b0f031d61594d9@posteo.de> <87ilt3yvqj.fsf@localhost> <877d9j3u91.fsf@localhost> <17c95e5a298c213c63b6f7ac9f05aac4@posteo.de> <87y21z2d2b.fsf@localhost> <871qzqg81c.fsf@gnu.org> <87r17q2n3i.fsf@localhost> <877d9ij990.fsf@gnu.org> <87iloyyd1y.fsf@localhost> <87r13kxh60.fsf@localhost> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 23:43:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656301456; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=tWucQWDATJDBhjpy5agLN1Q//1AJkpKcc8pHw6wSSEE=; b=Cq7UdNe42yUJ0VlA5uGWNNDPB7gwB6x9fncPosWzKjUvNBofVs+zGYB1Pvlnq9LYTk9Vft 1+cIzZjHrJFAy3mpUHvgmdFO1T6YSPCxo/Ca3LaTr6qHffWkew2L9hlchko8Wjy1Q6yR4M pR39EK+O5TS8jWDoiVIK3o74C886zJ/UEmU78NZYlB0whnUIqaMJ0emVVwnpCFNbDk/H0S 6wnP6eglwaZQEUU/l7ZzrdMgyURsn5ja93mdp3+gqgiJyX98PsryAe/59RMnqWSdI1bZjR yvg4kMgOb9vlnGIAM0hCYiQ+reFpOo/IuzqF8YMHm1c8N2NzOXcbuSg06rChsw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656301456; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=BcZM1edBZPsonyGBqj66pIZ/cKmDjdpP2nwviqDxdYETTqbabPZvRsZcioYFp7rkM209yY QcrcQaG0zM3Z2mECix82V5lKfycutUGycuEuYL+XEsxgl3mSo+xpWIFEJFOU/xQ65t/ynl WmL3hle3afBi3ju0lm1WCxgVWzl2TaAP7lrvAohZXqEDQYBLHLXQQ9I/UA4p538ih/Fih5 hd2ehrnZaSWCPl74+xwBLKgPXxx32MPxNS6p5YMdQ7g1Q5c0UR1LKjPws0q7wM6T63hDLm 9Oa0N1/E7TkSl+ogBWypjg4SqIHwSCF09moRRM37Nt0Q7WK7cFNlpzV8CPei6g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=SCOQmkXh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=SCOQmkXh; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E81ED2E727 X-Spam-Score: -6.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: MCuAL9yDBoL7 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Is it possible to make a donation through Liberapay without running > > any nonfree software? Including nonfree Javascript software send > > by the site itself? > > > > And is it possible for the intended recipients to receive the money > > without running nonfree software including JS? > > > > If the answers are yes and yes, maybe that system is ethical and good. > > Otherwise, it is not a solution, only a different variation of the problem. > AFAIU, no and no. See > https://list.orgmode.org/CAFm0skG_-80iQ-TO-hduvVt_GHQWosOHBeHJ61dyA=wNg8vc_w@mail.gmail.com/T/#m322d74a1efb4e3773ae2df7b6bda4505c4b5fa15 This is disappointing but not surprising, GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software. As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)