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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Joe Corneli <holtzermann17@gmail.com>
Cc: n@flqt.fr, amin@gnu.org, 32722@debbugs.gnu.org,
	rjhorniii@gmail.com, kaushal.modi@gmail.com
Subject: bug#32722:  bug#32722: bug#32722: bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ?
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 22:13:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1g3Awz-0003j5-9G@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN+qofnbqV8MT0wmKNokXv0S8f9PnXcpK1RdsH-8Zb2i8ckNPw@mail.gmail.com> (message from Joe Corneli on Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:43:25 +0100)

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  > There are a handful of references to MELPA inside Emacs.  Are these to
  > be discouraged?

The question is rather broad, so I can only say "it depends".  Whether
a reference to software outside Emacs is good or bad depends on its
semantics -- that is, on what it says _about_ the software that it
references -- and on circumstances.

Here's a general answer in terms of rules and circumstances.

The first question is, does the references tend to encourage,
recommend, or lead users to install and use some outside software?  If
it doesn't, there isn't an issue.  In that case, it would normally be a
comment in the code, not a message shown to the Emacs user.

If it does tend to lead users to install some program, the next
question is, is that program free?  If not, it may be a moral problem,
but that depends.  If the code encourages uses of Emacs by users of
widely used nonfree program Foo, that's ok.  If the code encourages
use of nonfree program Foo by users of Emacs, that's bad, so we should
remove the message _and_ the code immediately.

If the other program is free, the next question is, should this job be
done by part of Emacs, or should it be separate?

If logically it should be a separate program, such as find, GCC or
LaTeX, then it is fine to encourage Emacs users to install it and for
Emacs to invoke it.

If logically it should be part of Emacs, we should arrange to do the
job with code that IS part of Emacs.  We could do that by merging the
program into Emacs, or packaging it with Emacs, if those are possible.
Or we could do it by writing new code.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-21  2:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <531a7f93882cc0d5d09700457d06ea082f47569b.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-13  3:35 ` bug#32722: 26.1; Org-publish depend on non-free platform ? Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <83zhwmlnst.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-13  7:33   ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found] ` <E1g0IPY-000465-4I@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:26   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]   ` <tqd0thctb6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-13 15:36     ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` bug#32722: " Samuel Wales
2018-09-13 21:58       ` Samuel Wales
2018-09-14  2:55       ` bug#32722: " Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <E1g0eGJ-0002Ws-Gt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-14  6:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 12:30           ` Adam Porter
2018-09-17 20:21             ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 13:12               ` Bernt Hansen
     [not found]         ` <83sh2ck42e.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18  9:37           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-18 11:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:21               ` Nick Dokos
2018-09-18 14:49                 ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]             ` <83zhwff2k8.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 12:14               ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-19  3:41                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 14:43             ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]             ` <dbc243f2281e5b97b59d543f8e29559b1ffdc38f.camel@flqt.fr>
2018-09-18 16:37               ` bug#32722: " Robert Horn
2018-09-19  3:41               ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19 12:29                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                 ` <87h8ilfz6o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20  1:50                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                   ` <E1g2o6s-0008PG-JL@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20 12:40                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 12:59                     ` Bingo UV
2018-09-21  2:13                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-21 19:21                         ` bug#32722: bug#32722: " Leslie Watter
     [not found]                         ` <CAKoz4gnvbc1tTGW57c_7cVN0gF2KrgAjYRT+kwp29fMOYX3RCA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-23  1:38                           ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                           ` <E1g3tLf-0003Es-KN@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-29 14:53                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                             ` <87mus0z773.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-29 15:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <83in2o5oi3.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 18:33                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-29 18:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                   ` <83ftxs5dvw.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-29 23:35                                     ` bug#32722: " Kyle Meyer
2018-09-30 11:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                       ` <83y3bj43d8.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-24  8:03                                         ` bug#32722: [O] " Bastien
2018-09-30  9:27                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-10-22  9:39                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87r2giz5ey.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 11:07                                   ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]                                   ` <871s8is0i6.fsf@gmx.de>
2018-10-22 13:17                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                     ` <87worggx5b.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 14:31                       ` Michael Albinus
     [not found]               ` <m3tvmm4v8m.fsf@panix.com>
2018-09-18 16:53                 ` bug#32722: " Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                 ` <83efdqg32d.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-18 18:53                   ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-18 20:41                   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]                   ` <vain32bksv.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-18 21:07                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                     ` <87lg7yfraw.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-18 22:08                       ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
2018-09-19 21:16                         ` bug#32722: " Kaushal Modi
2018-09-20  1:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-20  5:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <83h8ikenbc.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  8:13                             ` bug#32722: " Robert Klein
2018-09-20 19:17                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2018-09-20 23:17                               ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21  0:39                                 ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-21  1:54                                   ` Adam Porter
2018-09-21 21:30                                     ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]                             ` <87in30geqo.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:50                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <835zyzevvt.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-10-22 13:13                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                                 ` <87d0s2yvi4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-10-22 13:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <E1g2oAo-0000ao-2k@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 10:43                             ` bug#32722: " Joe Corneli
     [not found]                             ` <CAN+qofnbqV8MT0wmKNokXv0S8f9PnXcpK1RdsH-8Zb2i8ckNPw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-21  2:13                               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2018-09-21 10:22                                 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found]                                 ` <m2zhwbup3a.fsf@dhcp-90-218.inf.ed.ac.uk>
2018-09-22  1:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  7:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20  5:21                         ` Adam Porter
     [not found]                       ` <831s9qezqo.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20 17:42                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
     [not found]                         ` <87muscgj51.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
2018-09-20 20:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-21  2:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <E1g2TLB-000734-Os@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-19  7:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <83zhwedl2v.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-20  1:50                         ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                         ` <E1g2o79-0008S6-UV@fencepost.gnu.org>
2018-09-20  4:22                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <83lg7wer1z.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-09-21  2:18                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                             ` <E1g3B16-0004U1-2g@fencepost.gnu.org>
2019-05-16 15:16                               ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                               ` <c20679912a5c2644bf6e62a65b7c4da118d988f5.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-05-16 15:25                                 ` Nicolas Floquet
     [not found]                                 ` <3554abc2df1167f5b052b021670bbd09fae6dd6f.camel@flqt.fr>
2019-06-09 16:54                                   ` bug#32722: " Amin Bandali
     [not found]                   ` <20180918205329.2e12c16f@happy.intern.roklein.de>
2018-09-18 18:57                     ` bug#32722: bug#32722: " Kaushal Modi
2018-09-18 19:29                       ` Kaushal Modi
2018-09-19  3:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:39                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-25 23:04                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-19  3:40                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-24  9:54                 ` Nicolas Floquet
2018-12-03 10:22 bug#32722: " Van L
2018-12-03 13:37 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2018-12-04  9:41   ` Van L
2018-12-05  0:31   ` Richard Stallman
2018-12-05 11:54     ` Van L

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