arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Stefan Vollmar]

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Dear all,

I believe that many members of this list with an interest in music (notation/composition) might find the http://lilypond.org project "addictive" (in the nicest possible manner): the concept is rather similar to writing TeX, there is very good Emacs support (if you know where to look), it is all OpenSource, there is extensive documentation (in LaTeX format with embedded lilypond snippets), the print quality is excellent.

I mention this because while arranging some piece of music recently, I noticed that Org-mode might be helpful in this context - it is probably already possible by tweaking org-babel a bit: lilypond encourages the user to structure music in a way that lends itself rather naturally to processing with Org-mode - you can assign a theme, a few bar with notes or even whole voices to variables and use them repeatedly. And imagine using Org-mode's outline capabilities to structure a piece of music. Exporting an org-file with lilypond-snippets in it to PDF or HTML might also be an interesting option.

I have not yet put any effort into it and just wanted to find out if anybody apart from me finds the combination of Org-mode and lilypond (potentially) exciting.

Warm regards,
 Stefan
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Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[T.F. Torrey]

Hello,

> From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:26:39 +0200
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> Subject: [Orgmode] arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond
> Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+tftorrey=tftorrey.com@gnu.org
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I believe that many members of this list with an interest in music (notation/composition) might find the http://lilypond.org project "addictive" (in the nicest possible manner): the concept is rather similar to writing TeX, there is very good Emacs support (if you know where to look), it is all OpenSource, there is extensive documentation (in LaTeX format with embedded lilypond snippets), the print quality is excellent.
> 
> I mention this because while arranging some piece of music recently, I noticed that Org-mode might be helpful in this context - it is probably already possible by tweaking org-babel a bit: lilypond encourages the user to structure music in a way that lends itself rather naturally to processing with Org-mode - you can assign a theme, a few bar with notes or even whole voices to variables and use them repeatedly. And imagine using Org-mode's outline capabilities to structure a piece of music. Exporting an org-file with lilypond-snippets in it to PDF or HTML might also be an interesting option.
> 
> I have not yet put any effort into it and just wanted to find out if anybody apart from me finds the combination of Org-mode and lilypond (potentially) exciting.

I think this is very exciting.

Best regards,
Terry

> Warm regards,
>  Stefan
> -- 
> Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
> Head of IT group
> Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
> Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
> Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
> Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
> Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de
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Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[John Hendy]

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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:24 PM, T.F. Torrey <tftorrey@tftorrey.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> > From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
> > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:26:39 +0200
> > To: emacs org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
> > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081)
> > X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 9
> > Subject: [Orgmode] arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and
> lilypond
> > Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+tftorrey=tftorrey.com@gnu.org
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I believe that many members of this list with an interest in music
> (notation/composition) might find the http://lilypond.org project
> "addictive" (in the nicest possible manner): the concept is rather similar
> to writing TeX, there is very good Emacs support (if you know where to
> look), it is all OpenSource, there is extensive documentation (in LaTeX
> format with embedded lilypond snippets), the print quality is excellent.
> >
> > I mention this because while arranging some piece of music recently, I
> noticed that Org-mode might be helpful in this context - it is probably
> already possible by tweaking org-babel a bit: lilypond encourages the user
> to structure music in a way that lends itself rather naturally to processing
> with Org-mode - you can assign a theme, a few bar with notes or even whole
> voices to variables and use them repeatedly. And imagine using Org-mode's
> outline capabilities to structure a piece of music. Exporting an org-file
> with lilypond-snippets in it to PDF or HTML might also be an interesting
> option.
> >
> > I have not yet put any effort into it and just wanted to find out if
> anybody apart from me finds the combination of Org-mode and lilypond
> (potentially) exciting.
>
> I think this is very exciting.
>

Agreed! I've used Lilypond before and it's *awesome.* It's pretty much as
cool as LaTeX in my opinion. Write some text, export and holy crap you've
got magically beautiful sheet music! I had not thought of Org-mode
integration, but that would indeed be quite nifty.

John


>
> Best regards,
> Terry
>
> > Warm regards,
> >  Stefan
> > --
> > Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
> > Head of IT group
> > Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
> > Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
> > Tel.: +49-221-4726-213  FAX +49-221-4726-298
> > Tel.: +49-221-478-5713  Mobile: 0160-93874279
> > Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de   http://www.nf.mpg.de
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Ben]

> Agreed! I've used Lilypond before and it's awesome. It's pretty much as cool
> as LaTeX in my opinion. Write some text, export and holy crap you've got
> magically beautiful sheet music! I had not thought of Org-mode integration,
> but that would indeed be quite nifty.

What an exciting perspective! org and lilypond combined together would
be ... well, just fantastic!

 -- Ben

Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Christian Moe]

Hi,

I've only used Lilypond for play, but I'd appreciate a Babel module 
for Lilypond, if someone writes one.

My use case, for which I think Org is perfect, is maintaining simple 
song collections: short scores interspersed with lyrics, printable as 
a booklet. It is doable now but could clearly be done better with Babel.

So if someone's thinking about ob-lilypond, integration with 
lilypond-book as a post-processing step would be useful.

Yours,
Christian


On 10/4/10 4:31 AM, John Hendy wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:24 PM, T.F. Torrey <tftorrey@tftorrey.com
> <mailto:tftorrey@tftorrey.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hello,
>
>      > From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de <mailto:vollmar@nf.mpg.de>>
>      > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:26:39 +0200
>      > Subject: [Orgmode] arranging and publishing music with Org-mode
>     and lilypond
>      >
>      > Dear all,
>      >
>      > I believe that many members of this list with an interest in
>     music (notation/composition) might find the http://lilypond.org
>     project "addictive" (in the nicest possible manner): the concept
>     is rather similar to writing TeX, there is very good Emacs support
>     (if you know where to look), it is all OpenSource, there is
>     extensive documentation (in LaTeX format with embedded lilypond
>     snippets), the print quality is excellent.
>      >
>      > I mention this because while arranging some piece of music
>     recently, I noticed that Org-mode might be helpful in this context
>     - it is probably already possible by tweaking org-babel a bit:
>     lilypond encourages the user to structure music in a way that
>     lends itself rather naturally to processing with Org-mode - you
>     can assign a theme, a few bar with notes or even whole voices to
>     variables and use them repeatedly. And imagine using Org-mode's
>     outline capabilities to structure a piece of music. Exporting an
>     org-file with lilypond-snippets in it to PDF or HTML might also be
>     an interesting option.
>      >
>      > I have not yet put any effort into it and just wanted to find
>     out if anybody apart from me finds the combination of Org-mode and
>     lilypond (potentially) exciting.
>
>     I think this is very exciting.

Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Shelagh Manton]

Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I've only used Lilypond for play, but I'd appreciate a Babel module
> for Lilypond, if someone writes one.
>
> My use case, for which I think Org is perfect, is maintaining simple
> song collections: short scores interspersed with lyrics, printable as
> a booklet. It is doable now but could clearly be done better with
> Babel.
>
> So if someone's thinking about ob-lilypond, integration with
> lilypond-book as a post-processing step would be useful.
>
> Yours,
> Christian

I have had an ob-LilyPond on my list of things to do for quite a while
now. If I have the next few days off, I will seriously look into it. 
But post integration with LilyPond-book is probably more than I would be
able to handle in the short term. 

Cheers
Shelagh
>
>
> On 10/4/10 4:31 AM, John Hendy wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:24 PM, T.F. Torrey <tftorrey@tftorrey.com
>> <mailto:tftorrey@tftorrey.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>      > From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de <mailto:vollmar@nf.mpg.de>>
>>      > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:26:39 +0200
>>      > Subject: [Orgmode] arranging and publishing music with Org-mode
>>     and lilypond
>>      >
>>      > Dear all,
>>      >
>>      > I believe that many members of this list with an interest in
>>     music (notation/composition) might find the http://lilypond.org
>>     project "addictive" (in the nicest possible manner): the concept
>>     is rather similar to writing TeX, there is very good Emacs support
>>     (if you know where to look), it is all OpenSource, there is
>>     extensive documentation (in LaTeX format with embedded lilypond
>>     snippets), the print quality is excellent.
>>      >
>>      > I mention this because while arranging some piece of music
>>     recently, I noticed that Org-mode might be helpful in this context
>>     - it is probably already possible by tweaking org-babel a bit:
>>     lilypond encourages the user to structure music in a way that
>>     lends itself rather naturally to processing with Org-mode - you
>>     can assign a theme, a few bar with notes or even whole voices to
>>     variables and use them repeatedly. And imagine using Org-mode's
>>     outline capabilities to structure a piece of music. Exporting an
>>     org-file with lilypond-snippets in it to PDF or HTML might also be
>>     an interesting option.
>>      >
>>      > I have not yet put any effort into it and just wanted to find
>>     out if anybody apart from me finds the combination of Org-mode and
>>     lilypond (potentially) exciting.
>>
>>     I think this is very exciting.
>
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Re: Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Christian Moe]

On 10/5/10 10:38 PM, Shelagh Manton wrote:

>
> I have had an ob-LilyPond on my list of things to do for quite a while
> now. If I have the next few days off, I will seriously look into it.
> But post integration with LilyPond-book is probably more than I would be
> able to handle in the short term.

Great!

Actually, forget my last message; I hadn't thought this through at 
all. An ob-lilypond should allow us to dispense with lilypond-book.

#+begin_src lilypond :exports results :file song1.png
\relative c' { c d e f g a b c }
#+end_src

- no post-processing needed. But for the purposes I outlined, it would 
be important to use these tricks in export:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-program/Alternate-methods-of-mixing-text-and-music#Alternate-methods-of-mixing-text-and-music


Yours,
Christian

Re: arranging and publishing music with Org-mode and lilypond

[Rustom Mody]

Hi Stefan

Maybe a bit OT but I find nted useful for my musical needs:
http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/~jan/nted/nted.xhtml
because it both plays and shows music quite well. [I use it to teach singing]
Does lilypond play also?

One small gripe with nted is that it exports but does not import lilypond.

Rustom