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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 6C59876F68 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -10.90 X-Spam-Score: -10.90 X-TUID: 1vx6NjEPdpu2 --_000_DU2PR02MB10109747BF63B331B177B936A96912DU2PR02MB10109eu_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >arthur miller writes: > >>>> Well, part of it. Or more to make some parts of org-markup configurabl= e, and >>>> usable as minor modes so they can be easier used outside of org-mode. >>> >>>This is not the direction Org mode project is going. We do the reverse - >>>Org markup is getting more stable, with the aim to simplify developing >>>third-party parsers and eventually registering Org syntax in IANA MIME d= b. >> >> I am not subscribed to mailing lists due to lots of trafic going on ther= e, so >> I >> am not overly introduced in directions in which org goes, so forgive me = if I >> am >> not so familiar with the latest features. > >Sorry, I did not intend my comment to sound personal. I just explained >why configurable markup is not something I see as a good idea. No worries; I didn't took it personally at all; I was just letting you know I am not very up-to date with latest development, and where Org is going, if I suggest something that is diagonally opposite to Org developmen= t. ________________________________ Fr=E5n: Ihor Radchenko Skickat: den 31 augusti 2024 14:20 Till: arthur miller Kopia: emacs-devel@gnu.org ; emacs-orgmode@gnu.org =C4mne: Re: Sv: Sv: Modularizing Org as GSoC project (was: New Emacs featur= es via Google Summer of Code (or other similar stipend schemes) (was: as fo= r Calc and the math library)) arthur miller writes: >>> Well, part of it. Or more to make some parts of org-markup configurable= , and >>> usable as minor modes so they can be easier used outside of org-mode. >> >>This is not the direction Org mode project is going. We do the reverse - >>Org markup is getting more stable, with the aim to simplify developing >>third-party parsers and eventually registering Org syntax in IANA MIME db= . > > I am not subscribed to mailing lists due to lots of trafic going on there= , so I > am not overly introduced in directions in which org goes, so forgive me i= f I am > not so familiar with the latest features. Sorry, I did not intend my comment to sound personal. I just explained why configurable markup is not something I see as a good idea. > Well, yes something like that; make features available outside of org-mod= e, and > make org-mode use those features instead of having everything in a monoli= thical > library. > ... To conclude, we may use these ideas for GSoC projects, but maybe separately. I doubt that "modularizing" in general would be a reasonable task to finish within summer. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at --_000_DU2PR02MB10109747BF63B331B177B936A96912DU2PR02MB10109eu_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com> writes:
>
>>>> Well, part of it. Or more to make some parts of org-markup= configurable, and
>>>> usable as minor modes so they can be easier used outside o= f org-mode.
>>>
>>>This is not the direction Org mode project is going. We do the = reverse -
>>>Org markup is getting more stable, with the aim to simplify dev= eloping
>>>third-party parsers and eventually registering Org syntax in IA= NA MIME db.
>>
>> I am not subscribed to mailing lists due to lots of trafic going o= n there, so
>> I
>> am not overly introduced in directions in which org goes, so forgi= ve me if I
>> am
>> not so familiar with the latest features.
>
>Sorry, I did not intend my comment to sound personal. I just explained<= /div>
>why configurable markup is not something I see as a good idea.

No worries; I didn't took it personally at all; I was just letting you
know I am not very up-to date with latest development, and where Org is
going, if I suggest something that is diagonally opposite to Org developmen= t.
Fr=E5n: Ihor Radchenko <= yantar92@posteo.net>
Skickat: den 31 augusti 2024 14:20
Till: arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Kopia: emacs-devel@gnu.org <emacs-devel@gnu.org>; emacs-orgmod= e@gnu.org <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
=C4mne: Re: Sv: Sv: Modularizing Org as GSoC project (was: New Emacs= features via Google Summer of Code (or other similar stipend schemes) (was= : as for Calc and the math library))
 
arthur miller <arthur.miller@live.com> write= s:

>>> Well, part of it. Or more to make some parts of org-markup con= figurable, and
>>> usable as minor modes so they can be easier used outside of or= g-mode.
>>
>>This is not the direction Org mode project is going. We do the reve= rse -
>>Org markup is getting more stable, with the aim to simplify develop= ing
>>third-party parsers and eventually registering Org syntax in IANA M= IME db.
>
> I am not subscribed to mailing lists due to lots of trafic going on th= ere, so I
> am not overly introduced in directions in which org goes, so forgive m= e if I am
> not so familiar with the latest features.

Sorry, I did not intend my comment to sound personal. I just explained
why configurable markup is not something I see as a good idea.

> Well, yes something like that; make features available outside of org-= mode, and
> make org-mode use those features instead of having everything in a mon= olithical
> library.
> ...

To conclude, we may use these ideas for GSoC projects, but maybe
separately. I doubt that "modularizing" in general would be a rea= sonable
task to finish within summer.

--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://o= rgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <h= ttps://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https:= //liberapay.com/yantar92>
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