Re: Re: Basic orgmode tutorial

[Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>]

On Mar 24, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Memnon Anon wrote:

> Dan Davison <davison@stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> Yes, exactly. I want to counter some of the recent pessimism on this
>> topic. Org-mode is very attractive to people in its own right, and  
>> as it
>> happens it is implemented in emacs. I know one person who has used
>> org-mode constantly for a couple of years now, purely for the  
>> agenda and
>> todo lists, without ever aquiring any ability or interest in using  
>> emacs
>> per se. She knows the keys to change TODO states, set timestamps and
>> call up the agenda and that was all that was needed. Although only
>> scraping the surface of what org-mode can do, the fact that someone  
>> who
>> otherwise only uses MS Word and firefox is still using org-mode after
>> two years says something *extremely* positive about org-mode.
> [...]
>> That also brings up the question of org-CUA-compatible -- would  
>> that be
>> set in this putative newbie org configuration?
> [...]
>> So what I am saying is that org-mode is sufficiently attractive  
>> that we
>> should expect non-emacs users to be attracted to it, and that we  
>> should
>> be optimistic about the ability of such people to start using
>> org-mode. And that yes, we need to work on the configuration for  
>> them.
>
> I recently installed emacs for a co-student of mine, just to give her
> the ability to have the outline. She struggled with organizing her  
> notes
> on her research (first semester ;), so I suggested to her to have a  
> look
> at the outline tools out there; after she tried some of the solutions
> available, I finally showed her orgmode, and she really chose org.
> Reason: Cleaner look, less clutter: Some of the menus in the other
> programs were overwhelming for her and org offered her exactly what  
> she
> wanted. She is a student with average computer/software knowledge:  
> Watch
> movies, use firefox, use openoffice. And thats it.
>
> I will ask her for feedback, I haven't spoken to her lately.
>
> One thing, however, I noticed at once:
> I installed for her the official emacs windows build, and the  
> inconsistent
> mouse usage was a problem. Inconsistent not in itself, just  
> different to
> what she learned and expects how mouse, copy and paste, selecting text
> etc. works. It broke her pattern of usage, and it was interesting to
> see, how confusing that is from an outside perspective. ;).
>
> I wish I had chosen Lennart Borgmanns Built, which, I guess - I am on
> linux only, comes with a more sensible set of preconfigurations.
>
> Memnon
>
> ...
>
> P.S.: Crazy idea: Would it be possible to use the mouse to move
>      Headlines like M-up/M-down does? I do not understand it, but  
> again
>      and again I see computerusers cherishing their beloved rodent.
>      Even heavy computer users find it hard to remember keystrokes.
>      Or they are just unwilling to invest the effort ...

I believe that org-mouse.el might have some limited support for this.

- Carsten