From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Torsten Wagner Subject: Re: Near real-time preview of PDF/ODT export? Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:54:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87wqk0o7uj.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh68h5l1.fsf@gmx.us> <20131122145105.GE32060@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60313) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkrwJ-0000XH-Ft for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:54:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkrwH-0003Yg-Cy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:54:43 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c01::22d]:38135) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkrwH-0003YT-5u for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:54:41 -0500 Received: by mail-ea0-f173.google.com with SMTP id g15so2195016eak.18 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:54:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131122145105.GE32060@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Suvayu Ali Cc: Org Mode Mailing List Hi, just in a coincidence, I looked into Whizzytex [1] a few days ago. This minor mode opens up a pdf-viewer and keeps it updated with literally every keystroke within the tex-file. (Yes xpdf works, albeit the website and emacswiki only describe dvi and ps as backends). In addition, it adds some marks in the PDF to show the actual cursor position wihin the tex-file. You could see it as some sort of pdf-preview on drugs. That is a realtime-update instead of an update after each compilation. WhizzyTex tries to be smart and only seems to compile the region which is needed to give you the output you would like to see. This is very useful esp. if you do small corrections (like revising a manuscript). Since you can see what effect your spellcheck corrections and grammar twisting has on the document outcome. On the other hand, if you receive a hand-annotated version of an manuscript is much easier to find the parts which needs to be corrected having a life-update beside the TeX-file. Another area where I really like it is in conjunction with TikZ. WhizzyTex gives you a online-update of your drawing. As people who worked with TikZ now, it can be very cumbersome to get the right coordinates for something. With WhizzyTex the position of drawings, nodes and whatever, change instantly as you type it. This makes drawing really easy. On the downside, it seems a bit outdated. At least the installer gave me a headache. The manual describes a manual installation method which after some tweaking worked for me. There is no package on ELPA thus, I have no idea about the actual status of it. Last update was on January 2013, not that long ago. Would it be an option to implement something like WhizzyTex for org-mode? Thus you would have the easiness of org-mode syntax (which is enough for many cases) with an realtime update of the export to PDF. [1] http://cristal.inria.fr/whizzytex/whizzytex.html On 22 November 2013 15:51, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:30:18PM +0100, Rasmus wrote: >> >> Personally, I'd want to use Evince and not Docview. Does Docview >> notice changes in the pdf? > > Only with auto-revert-mode on. I prefer Evince over Docview too. > Docview wait times can be significant when the pdf is large (~30), or > when there is a large vector drawing in the pdf. > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. >