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Sat, 06 Jul 2024 02:59:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87zfswtg3u.fsf@localhost> <87o7948sua.fsf@localhost> <87zfrjbxxn.fsf@localhost> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:59:41 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] oc-csl: New custom option `org-cite-csl-sentence-case-bibtex-titles' To: =?UTF-8?Q?Andr=C3=A1s_Simonyi?= , emacs-orgmode list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::934; envelope-from=andras.simonyi@gmail.com; helo=mail-ua1-x934.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Spam-Score: -9.74 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8FF1B6E3DD X-Migadu-Scanner: mx10.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.74 X-TUID: 7c1CkgJkp5n+ Dear All, (sorry for the late reply again) On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 at 12:27, Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 19/06/2024 16:27, Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi wrote: > > Of course it could be checked whether > > a CSL style contains explicit instructions about how to format titles > > and skip sentence-case conversion of input for those but this > > probably would not > > solve the problems of users who do not want the conversion at all. > > Do you mean using title (original) case despite some style requites > sentence case for English entries? I believed that fields should be > surrounded with double braces {{...}} this case and the only issue is > difference of original capitalization and result of conversion to > sentence case and then back to title case. Well, what they typically want is using the original title case despite a style not containing any explicit instruction that the title field should be in title-case, which, according to the latest. 1.02 CSL standard (https://docs.citationstyles.org/en/stable/specification.html)= , implies that the field in question should be formatted in sentence-case: "it is generally preferable to store strings such as titles in sentence case, and only use text-case if a style desires another case. Sentence case conversion is deprecated and will be removed in a future vers= ion." > My expectation is that to get consistent results across applications, > they should share the same preference. However since your choice is > conscious, I do not insist. thanks, I agree in general, but in this particular case it seems to me that, in practice, it'd be hard to introduce common settings across applications, especially for org-ref and org-cite, both of which have a number of CSL-related user options. best wishes, Andr=C3=A1s