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To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: Org Mode List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52a; envelope-from=paaguti@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x52a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8604B12B3C X-Spam-Score: -8.88 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.88 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-TUID: Cqpwkc2D8erS To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Re: Re: [BUG] #+cite_export: ... bibstyle citestyle cannot be universally used as global defaults (was: Patch for \usepackage[ ... natbib =3D true ...]{...biblatex} with org-cite) On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 00:14:59 +0100 (CET) Edgar wrote: > Dear Ihor, > On Feb 4, 2023 at 12:31 PM, Ihor Radchenko wrote:Ed= gar Lux writes: >> For example, ... the proposed idea is >> a bit awkward: >> >> ... >> #+cite_export: processor[opt1=3Dval1,opt2=3Dval2,...] bibliography-style= [...] >> citation-style[...] >> >> I assumed that there is one "major" bibliography-style/citation-style. >> However, it is not really the case in practice. The styles are combined. > First of all, I quickly glanced at the other citation processors, and the= y seem to have been implemented with a different design in Org. This *may* = have to do with biblatex being more advanced (disclaimer: I'm not saying th= at it actually is, it's a possibility only). > If the idea is that all processors are going to get the same syntax, I th= ink that the implementation may not suit one of them. At that point, it may= be that the filters will have to be adapted to specific processors in cont= rived ways. This of course will be much dependent on the choice of processo= rs chosen to be supported by Org. Some other groups may decide to implement= , for example, the JabRef #+cite_export (this does not imply that JabRef is= a citation processor, it's just a colourful example). >> For example, adding links to bibliography to citations is applied >> regardless of the particular citation command being used. >> >> So, I am not leaning closer to only allowing options being passed to >> "processor", but not to styles. This will at least come closer to >> certain settings being citation package global config applied to >> everything. If we have options applied to specific citation commands, >> they will rather fit into citation-style/sub-style. >> >> #+cite_export: processor[opt1=3Dval1,opt2=3Dval2,...] bibliography-style >> citation-style > If it were me, I would consider just having the options as =3D#+cite_expo= rt: processor :options "anything"=3D. If the bibliography-style is importan= t for the user and processor, may be default values can be provided; and le= t the user read some documentation option which are needed to run her parti= cular processor (provided by them, not necessarily Org). Again, being compl= etely honest, I don't think that you should put a dummy (like me) making th= ese very relevant decisions. Joining the discussion I seem to have missed before (because I was using a less org-ish solution). My scenario: BEAMER and LATEX are my main targets, both with BIBLATEX and biber as backend. Works nicely, and I can include a bibliography at the end of my presentations, which is nice for lectures. I'm more interested in the 'processor' part, because the default bibliography and citation style fit me. However, I think that something like: #+cite_export: processor bibliography-style citation-style :options opt1=3Dval1,opt2=3Dval2,... as a generalised form (for the shortened version with default styles): #+cite_export: processor :options opt1=3Dval1,opt2=3Dval2,... would be expressive enough. Best, /PA On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 at 12:33, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > \usepackage[isbn=3Dfalse,url=3Dfalse,doi=3Dfalse,eprint=3Dfalse,related= =3Dfalse]{biblatex} > > > >> Cheers, > >> Reza > > > > That's what I'm trying to avoid... and do right now > > You have the `pure org` header lines above and then you need > > to write LaTeX. I would rather have something like > > > > #+cite_export_options: blah blah > > Feel free to join the discussion at https://orgmode.org/list/87ilghfyzs.f= sf@localhost > > -- > Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, > Org mode contributor, > Learn more about Org mode at . > Support Org development at , > or support my work at --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet