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Sat, 10 Feb 2024 22:23:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sf2qg7pg.fsf@localhost> <87ttmh8c9f.fsf@localhost> <87ttmgpema.fsf@localhost> In-Reply-To: <87ttmgpema.fsf@localhost> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:22:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New try at multi-lingual export to latex/pdf using pdflatex and babel To: Ihor Radchenko Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= , Org Mode List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007062c3061115310e" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::52b; envelope-from=paaguti@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x52b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.00 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Spam-Score: -7.00 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 98E93445D4 X-TUID: aKrqKBwcsS7Q --0000000000007062c3061115310e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My .2 cents in line, /PA On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 at 15:36, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > yes, you are right. The whole thread went astray. > > However, I think it might be interesting to keep this as an alternative > to > > the AUTO stuff... > > > > Anyhow, I'm open to cancelling the patch > > From my point of view, you did not address/reply to > > "I think this example doesn't take advantage of the AUTO facility, which > is what the section is about." > I agree it does not take advantage of the AUTO facility here, but I nevertheless think it would be interesting to show people how to do this. Until we expand the AUTO facility to cope with all quirks of multi-language in pdflatex (lualatex and xetex are a different pair of shoes), a quick and dirty alternative may be helpful for people. The introductory text could be +An alternative approach using ~pdflatex~ and ~babel~ and mixing Latin and +Greek fonts in the document using the =\PassOptionsToPackage= command +from =babel= and avoiding the AUTO keyword would be: instead of: +Another example using ~pdflatex~ and ~babel~ and mixing Latin and +Greek fonts in the document using the =\PassOptionsToPackage= command +from =babel= would be: Having this example at hand can solve issues until we fully agree on and implement AUTO through all the packages involved in multi-language documents in LaTeX. @Juan: Thanks again for kicking me awake. I'm moving on most of my projects to lualatex ;-) When you do, we can continue moving the proposed patch forward. > > -- > Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, > Org mode contributor, > Learn more about Org mode at . > Support Org development at , > or support my work at > -- Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --0000000000007062c3061115310e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My .2 cents in line,
/PA

On Sat, = 10 Feb 2024 at 15:36, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:
Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com> writes:

> yes, you are right. The whole thread went astray.
> However, I think it might be interesting to keep this as an alternativ= e to
> the AUTO stuff...
>
> Anyhow, I'm open to cancelling the patch

>From my point of view, you did not address/reply to

"I think this example doesn't take advantage of the AUTO facility,= which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is what the section is about."

<= /div>
I agree it does not take advantage of the AUTO facility here, but= I nevertheless think it would
be interesting to show people how = to do this. Until we expand the AUTO facility to cope with
all qu= irks of multi-language in pdflatex (lualatex and xetex are a different pair= of shoes), a quick
and dirty alternative may be helpful for peop= le. The introductory text could be
=C2=A0
+An alter= native approach using ~pdflatex~ and ~babel~ and mixing Latin and
+Greek= fonts in the document using the =3D\PassOptionsToPackage=3D command
+fr= om =3Dbabel=3D and avoiding the AUTO keyword would be:

instead of:

+Another example using ~pdfla= tex~ and ~babel~ and mixing Latin and
+Greek fonts in the document using= the =3D\PassOptionsToPackage=3D command
+from =3Dbabel=3D would be:
=

Having this example at hand can solve issues unti= l we fully agree on and implement
AUTO through all the packages i= nvolved in multi-language documents in LaTeX.

@Jua= n: Thanks again for kicking me awake. I'm moving on most of my projects= to=C2=A0
lualatex ;-)

When you do, we can continue moving the pr= oposed patch forward.

--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,=
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>


--
Fragen sind nicht da, um bea= ntwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
= Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should ru= n a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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