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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634139402; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=FYT86GRQVrtcTZwma/V8XYz/eWUrhHi3KZbaTY6Pv0I=; b=igMbm6W4F9KmZcrlcLV3Axs37axlSVIbodrB8cCNreMrahvYvejIOM8HG3zDz6PSkPI3gq Rc8wSeWFkdiWIXlHS24k9cqY+CY7W7rACvQXrKkOZYJ2aw2oF/BX1i0JUdsNjmaLUWE6d5 FfSzAoi4BbaFSkM/S6tLSAgdFghEWwyub+juE1zxyor0pyZ2gjDMo/+NGRM1DbTQstp72V OXZTSL6BIM6UR1J2buFv8amG4MPfXKlrTXBIyU4F0HHclwJboJSc5oDrHsMoVSfXjmoji4 evs11ZRaftRMLLxe33gS4RA88QTPTmjfi99zfzw72sSLTu5Fsl48be5GP0jAXg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634139402; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Bq9WChpSCxUtiQ7uRcXoQntzlRnfxtw8yFa9Iq12UAzBnUDwork/+0iYCwRrEiLYtAVfWM JogSdDUOfxiahfUlXXygKczqibZkjhKXfjATKe5LBjoPE7RbR71+xzNzzRD+roH5lYDmq7 5wDcbiJYg4pSNZ3LoESA9Q9GDXcfCi9LKiTD6Mw+7FqRJRwA6O8iGAJb7Yl21DSlgTxfsq m5jA+ipxsmDEBxIJMFZiegq0caeTgTwzEWpNHEG4FLIubYA8AOc+eXoV65bMX/2Uh3MNmT NoKkUdtu2ZFjIAZ78mEQ6Lorow/VmnKpKy7xdZsK7i4dl6jMiJlKJ32qYUYLqw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=dWDbwxca; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=dWDbwxca; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5A0FE25CCC X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: yibv0n8fts6m Guys, I've been using Emacs for about 20 years, but I'm only now starting to seriously explore the Org-mode, since I read about the new citation options. I'd like to report my initial experience since maybe this could lead to some amendments to the manual? Anyway: I installed Org 9.5 from Melpa in Emacs 27.1. I proceeded through the 'Installation' part in the online manual, so the only things I put into .emacs were the rudimentary keybindings. I then switched to the 15.1 Citations chapter and created a file the first line of which pointed to my library.bib. The introduction to chapter 15 says 'The included =E2=80=9Cbasic=E2=80=9D processor provides all four capabilities.' (w.r.t. 'activate', 'follow', 'insert', 'export'). I thus assumed that the basic processor was included. However, org-cite-insert ended with 'Unknown processor basic'. After reading the list I put "(use-package oc-basic)" in my .emacs. Since then I can get the citations to appear in my org file. So that's one thing that could be helpful to new users: even though the citation processors are included, you have to manually enable them in the .emacs, e.g. using use-package. [If I'm wrong, please correct me, I'm new to this and I'm trying to help.] Another thing: the way the citations work is inconsistent for me at this point. In some cases, a click on a citation opens my library.bib at the relevant entry. In other cases, nothing happens (i.e. nothing that I can see.) On what could this depend? Ideally I'd like a click on a citation to open the PDF whose location is stored in the 'file' field of the .bib entry: is there an easy way to achieve this? [I've tried various ways of doing this in the last 10+ years, including org-ref, RefTex etc., but am I correct in assuming that currently the idea is that one should only use the Org-mode for such things?] Thanks to everyone involved for their hard work! Best regards, Leszek Wronski