From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: Org Writer's room Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:51:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87lidc6nc1.fsf@pank.eu> <50BFEA73.2050309@gmail.com> <87fw3jfvqf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wqwve06e.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41181) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tgdk1-0003Hf-IP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:52:05 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tgdjx-0000KI-3y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:52:01 -0500 Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:52610) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tgdjw-0000KE-V0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:51:57 -0500 Received: by mail-qc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t2so3925589qcq.0 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:51:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87wqwve06e.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: Org Mode On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Eric Abrahamsen w= rote: > > On 12/06/12 20:09 PM, Matt Price wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >>> Matt Price writes: >>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Alan L Tyree wro= te: >>>>> On 06/12/12 11:22, Rasmus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Hyatt writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This sounds like an interesting project. My advice is to make a fe= w >>>>>>> screenshots that give people an idea what you are working towards. >>>>>>> Of course, they could be completely fake, but it would be helpful t= o >>>>>>> understand for people like me who haven't used Scrivener. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also like to see this. It sounds nice when I read your >>>>>> description, but I still don't fully appreciate the idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> =96Rasmus >>>>>> >>>>> I'm also very interested. I haven't used Scrivener -- what features d= o you >>>>> see as making org a *way* better writing environment? >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> To start with I would like to just replicate this window structure, >>>> because it keeps you focused on writing, while having the larger >>>> structure available if you feel the need to flit around a bit. The >>>> third screenshot shows a semi-fake, still very primitive version of >>>> what I'd like to have. (I haven't figured out a good way to do the >>>> metadata yet). >>> >>> I *really* like the idea of having a right-hand pane available showing >>> properties around the current point -- it could include properties from >>> the PROPERTIES drawer, from the structure returned by >>> `org-element-property', text properties, and maybe properties of the >>> current headline parent. I'm sort of envisioning what you get from the >>> "inspect element" command in Firefox. >>> >>> For the left-hand pane, org-toc and org-panel in the contrib directory >>> (or even the org-goto interface) might provide some inspiration. >>> >>> Ugh, sounds like a lot of work. >>> >> those are 3 powerful tools I hadn't used before. org-toc not working >> for me at the moment though, there might be something wrong with my >> .emacs setup... > > Yeah, some of that's out of date. Actually, since Org looks like it will > be slowly migrating over to a basis on org elements, that's probably a > good direction to look. `org-element-parse-buffer' will return a data > structure for the current buffer that would be ideal for creating a tree > visualization. hmm, just looked at the output of that command and the data structures look like: (headline (:raw-value "The Function of Copyright" :begin 489 :end 610 :pre-blank 0 :hiddenp outline :contents-begin 517 ...) (section (:begin 517 :end 610 :contents-begin 517 :contents-end 610 :post-blank 0 :parent #1))) Those integers are char numbers in the buffer -- would this list then have to be updated for every character stroke? Hmm, I also can pretty much see how to get each :raw-value and turn it into text that's presented in a buffer... but I don't understand how to associate that text with the existing headline in an org file. Speedbar seems like a much easier option, but while the org-mode parser is nowworking for me(yay!) I can't make the same-frame package work (sr-speedbar)! Gosh darn it! ANyway, thanks eveyrone, I'm going to keep needing help on this so if you have more suggestions please keep them coming.. matt