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Shouldn't write emails so late at night! > > -- > Emmanuel Charpentier > > --000000000000aa306605c7a6b4ff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 3:32 AM Emman= uel Charpentier <emm.charpent= ier@free.fr> wrote:
Le mardi 20 juillet 2021 =C3=A0 02:55 -0400, Matt Pric= e a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Certainly citation of personal communications is common in the = fields of history and philosophy of science, where it represents an effort = to responsibly represent the source of ideas owed to other persons.

I don't dispute that.

=C2=A0 It'= ;s not really a question of whether you personally would do it; it's a = question of whether org will support a practice that exists in some real-wo= rld contexts.=C2=A0=C2=A0

What I disp= ute is that such "non-citations" are dangling pointers, better re= placed by incises or footnotes ... or proper citations.

just wanted to say sorry if I was gouchy there.=C2= =A0 Shouldn't write emails so late at night!

--
Emm= anuel Charpentier

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