From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Price Subject: Re: Some projects Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 22:23:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wpub9jts.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87mvv6zs8i.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c06d362dee5c70522f8a65a Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqXRw-0005PY-83 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 22:23:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqXRu-0002f4-Ve for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 22:23:52 -0400 Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]:36288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqXRu-0002ez-PF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 22:23:50 -0400 Received: by ioll68 with SMTP id l68so173595940iol.3 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:23:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87mvv6zs8i.fsf@gmx.us> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus Cc: Org Mode --94eb2c06d362dee5c70522f8a65a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Rasmus wrote: > Hi, > > First, thanks for writing this up, Nicolas. Org has been a bit slow > lately, at least for my part. > ditto. and thanks to eveyrone in the thread for their input. > > > > > ** Citations > > > > Development apparently stopped for some reason. We have a citation > > syntax for Org in wip-cite and some work done in wip-cite-awe and > > probably elsewhere. > > > > I think we could at least provide features defined in Org Ref using the > > new syntax (minus hydra/helm related functions). > > > > We don't need a silver bullet. Just something with a non-empty user > > base, and extensible. In any case, the work done so far shouldn't be > > wasted. > > This is something I care deeply about, and I would like to work on it. > I=E2=80=99m a bit short on time these days, but still it=E2=80=99s the mo= st important > missing feature IMO. > > We sort of got stuck on syntax discussions the last time (besides > [cite]/[(cite)]), as well as tool choices (citeproc-java vs. some > org-specific Haskell implementation). > > I would suggest we start with LaTeX, although it contains some danger of > making choices that are hard to make work with citeproc. I=E2=80=99m not= sure how > far Aaron got on this work. > > > I also regard this as the most important missing feature from Org. From m= y perspective, latex-centred approaches are I guess fine but don't immediately solve any issues for me. My use cases are (a) publication to the web, either of papers or, especially, of teaching resources; and (b) circulation of scholarly work in .docx or (in rare best-case scenarios) markdown. I would really be grateful if work on citations left the door open for these formats, which are going to be with us for a long time. Again, thanks to all you guys for your work on this. m --94eb2c06d362dee5c70522f8a65a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> wr= ote:
Hi,

First, thanks for writing this up, Nicolas.=C2=A0 Org has been a bit slow lately, at least for my part.
=C2=A0
ditto.= =C2=A0 and thanks to eveyrone in the thread for their input.



> ** Citations
>
> Development apparently stopped for some reason. We have a citation
> syntax for Org in wip-cite and some work done in wip-cite-awe and
> probably elsewhere.
>
> I think we could at least provide features defined in Org Ref using th= e
> new syntax (minus hydra/helm related functions).
>
> We don't need a silver bullet. Just something with a non-empty use= r
> base, and extensible. In any case, the work done so far shouldn't = be
> wasted.

This is something I care deeply about, and I would like to work on i= t.
I=E2=80=99m a bit short on time these days, but still it=E2=80=99s the most= important
missing feature IMO.

We sort of got stuck on syntax discussions the last time (besides
[cite]/[(cite)]), as well as tool choices (citeproc-java vs. some
org-specific Haskell implementation).

I would suggest we start with LaTeX, although it contains some danger of making choices that are hard to make work with citeproc.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m = not sure how
far Aaron got on this work.


I also regard this as the most important missing feat= ure from Org. From my perspective, latex-centred approaches are I guess fin= e but don't immediately solve any issues for me. My use cases are (a) p= ublication to the web, either of papers or, especially,=C2=A0 of teaching r= esources; and (b) circulation of scholarly work in=C2=A0 .docx or (in rare = best-case scenarios) markdown.=C2=A0 I would really be grateful if work on = citations left the door open for these formats, which are going to be with = us for a long time.

Again, thanks to all you guys for you= r work on this.

m
--94eb2c06d362dee5c70522f8a65a--