From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: zeltak Subject: Re: [Out-of-Thread] Re: [RFC] Org syntax (draft) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:33:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <6449B53A-997D-411D-8E13-AAFAE6D81397@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52d4d0348907904d8330aad Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38468) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHaCN-0006x3-OX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:34:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHaCJ-0007vo-VB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:33:59 -0400 Received: from mail-bk0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:4008:c01::232]:35799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UHaCJ-0007vg-Jp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 09:33:55 -0400 Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id jg9so2492122bkc.9 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 06:33:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6449B53A-997D-411D-8E13-AAFAE6D81397@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Carsten Dominik , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --bcaec52d4d0348907904d8330aad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Carsten, Thank you for your quick reply. Let me start by first thanking you for your great work on orgmode, I only recently discovered it (someone referred me to your great talk on youtube) and it made me have the courage to start learning emacs and use orgmode. I (actually me and several colleagues here at the school of public health at Harvard) have been using for the past 4 years a note taking app called notecase pro (http://www.notecasepro.com/) which is nice but not FLOSS and lacking in other areas. I am a post doc who takes alot of notes (30-40) daily which include images and color markings. colors are especially important to us since we use them to mark different commands, research areas, paths, comments and warning so that we have a clear easy to remember color visual clue. We use 15-20 color fg/bg commands. An example note could look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Ncq6ozs.png i am a complete new orgmode user but i am so impressed and overblown with the features and definitely want to transition to use it full time and also convince my colleagues to do so as well. with the help of the #irc channel i was able to use the customizing features for the emphasize symbols to achieve color support . the config now looks like this: '(org-emphasis-alist (quote (("@" (:foreground "#B40000" :background "#FFDDDD" :weight bold) "" "") ("$" (:foreground "#FF0000") "" "") ("*" bold "" "") ("/" italic "" "") ("_" underline "" "") ("=" org-code "" "" verbatim) ("~" org-verbatim "" "" verbatim) ("+" (:strike-through t) "" "")))) That would have worked for me but i understood that there are plans to actually disable these customization's in the next version to allow better portability. If its not to hard It would be great to have a method similar to the customizable emphasis that lets a user define custom colors of FG/BG for inline viewing. I am less concerned about exporting since at least for me i plan to do all the editing/viewing inline inside emacs (though it would be nice of course to be able to use it with mobile org and/or other mobile solutions for when we do field work). I will hold on with starting with the mammoth task of converting my Notecase notes into orgmode until the issues is resolved, i assume i should follow the mailing list to check on this? Sorry for the long email and thank you so much again for all your work, its truly fantastic Z. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Carsten Dominik wrote: > Hi Z, > > can you show an example on how you use it? Maybe we can find a better > way. Nicolas is right that portability is compromised by customizable > emphasis. > > - Carsten > > > > On 18.3.2013, at 00:02, zeltak wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > i just finished a great conversation on #org-mode with some great > people. they told me about this thread and the planned changes that may or > may not occur to the syntax and id like to just raise the newbee > perspective. > > > > I find the ability to add custom emphasise with custom faces invaluable. > i find it very easy to add and very useful for me since i use ALOT of color > highlights in my academic work. > > > > i really hope that there is some way to leave the current mphasise with > custom faces options as is > > > > > > thx alot guys > > > > Z > > --bcaec52d4d0348907904d8330aad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Carsten,

Thank you for your quick = reply. Let me start by first thanking you for your great work on orgmode, I= only recently=A0discovered=A0it (someone=A0referred=A0me to your great tal= k on youtube) and it made me have the courage to start learning emacs and u= se orgmode.

I =A0(actually me and several=A0colleagues=A0here= at the school of public health at Harvard) have been using for the past 4 = years a note taking app called notecase pro (http://www.notecasepro.com/) which is nice but not FLOSS and = lacking in other areas. I am a post doc who takes alot of notes (30-40) dai= ly which include images and color markings.

colors are especially important to us since= we use them to mark=A0different=A0commands, research areas, paths, comment= s and warning so that we have a clear easy to remember color visual clue. W= e use 15-20 color fg/bg commands. An example note could look like this:


i am a complete new orgmode user but i am so impressed and overblown with = the features and definitely want to transition to use it full time and also= convince my=A0colleagues=A0to do so as well. with the help of the #irc cha= nnel i was able to use the customizing features for the emphasize symbols t= o achieve color support . the config now looks like this:

=A0'(org-emphasis-alist (quote (("= @" (:foreground "#B40000" :background "#FFDDDD" :w= eight bold) "" "") ("$" (:foreground "#F= F0000") "" "") ("*" bold "<b>= " "</b>") ("/" italic "<i>" = "</i>") ("_" underline "<span style=3D\&q= uot;text-decoration:underline;\">" "</span>") = ("=3D" org-code "<code>" "</code>"= ; verbatim) ("~" org-verbatim "<code>" "<= /code>" verbatim) ("+" (:strike-through t) "<del&= gt;" "</del>"))))=A0

That would have worked for me but i u= nderstood that there are plans to actually disable these=A0customization= 9;s=A0in the next version to allow better=A0portability.=A0

If its not to hard It would be great to have a method = similar to the=A0customizable emphasis that lets a user define custom colo= rs of FG/BG for inline viewing. I am less concerned about exporting since a= t least for me i plan to do all the editing/viewing inline inside emacs (th= ough it would be nice of course to be able to use it with mobile org and/or= other mobile solutions for when we do field work).

I = will hold on with starting with the=A0mammoth=A0task of converting my Notec= ase notes into orgmode until the issues is resolved, i assume i should foll= ow the mailing list to check on this?

So= rry for the long email and thank you so much again for all your work, its= =A0truly=A0fantastic

Z.




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On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@= gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Z,

can you show an example on how you use it? =A0Maybe we can find a better wa= y. =A0Nicolas is right that portability is compromised by customizable emph= asis.

- Carsten



On 18.3.2013, at 00:02, zeltak <zelt= ak@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> i just finished a great conversation on #org-mode with some great peop= le. they told me about this thread and the planned changes that may or may = not occur to the syntax and id like to just raise the newbee perspective. >
> I find the ability to add custom emphasise with custom faces invaluabl= e. i find it very easy to add and very useful for me since i use ALOT of co= lor highlights in my academic work.
>
> i really hope that there is some way to leave the current mphasise wit= h custom faces options as is
>
>
> thx alot guys
>
> Z


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