From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Texas Cyberthal Subject: Re: org-adapt-indentation default should be nil [legibility 3/6] Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 06:00:41 +0800 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50325) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iz6G0-00033s-7q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:01:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iz6Fy-0002Hu-St for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:01:20 -0500 Received: from mail-oi1-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::236]:35943) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iz6Fy-0002EB-KB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 17:01:18 -0500 Received: by mail-oi1-x236.google.com with SMTP id c16so20175497oic.3 for ; Tue, 04 Feb 2020 14:01:18 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" > the default settings do not put blank lines between headings and their entry text, I don't know what this means. Plain Emacs behaves the same way Spacemacs does in this regard. Insertion of a blank line after a heading is voluntary but standrd. Insertion of a blank line between the current non-empty line and a new heading is automatic. The fact that the latter looks nice tends to make users do the former. > without any indentation, headings and entry text on varying levels tends to blend together, making for very poor readability. If the goal is to read the body text of headings, then deeply indenting it is contrary to the goal. If the goal is to see the depth of headings, then the bodies should be folded. If folded mode doesn't convey sufficient information, the solution is to rewrite the heading titles to better summarize the body text. I never use org-adapt-indentation and have no readability issues. Out of curiosity, I tried to turn it on just now. There's no toggle for it, even though it's a buffer-local variable. This suggests it's not useful, since apparently nobody who's turned it off cares to turn it on again. > No one is "good at" Emacs and Org when they first come to it. UI difficulty is exponential, not linear. The more initially difficult the Emacs UI is acknowledged to be, the more important it is to reduce that difficulty with noob-friendly defaults, so that they can eventually reach the point of elitist unconcern for noobs. The problem with aiming software at noobs is ruining the expert experience. Changing defaults doesn't ruin expert experience because experts have configuration management. Noob friendly defaults increases the likelihood there is a long term for them. Emacs' biggest barrier to adoption is acclimatization. I just read a GTD thread in which they all agreed Org was too hard to be worth learning, including the guy advocating it: https://forum.gettingthingsdone.com/threads/emacs-org-mode-is-the-perfect-tool-for-gtd.15028/page-2 To be clear, this is the biggest GTD forum, which Org is the best implementation of, and it seems most of them are using digital GTD tools.