From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Waldemar Quevedo Subject: Re: org-mode based groupware wiki Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 02:52:31 +0900 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6743fcb76d2e04e8df5e1d Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33575) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVHB-0007e0-Ux for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:52:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVHA-0007a0-EG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]:36669) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVHA-0007Zo-6n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:52:52 -0400 Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id n9so772276qcw.15 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 10:52:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: Org Mode Mailing List --047d7b6743fcb76d2e04e8df5e1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Torsten, > - Enhance org-ruby? I would be glad to help out in this regard. About the completeness of the implementation of the Org mode ruby parser, it would be very helpful for me to have a set of examples that describe how each one of the features of Org mode Emacs exporter should be rendered in to HTML. I tried to do some work about this some time ago to identify the coverage of Org ruby HTML exporting compared to the Org mode Emacs exporter: https://github.com/wallyqs/org-mode-features/blob/master/features.org https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby/tree/master/spec/html_examples/ Is there a set of examples of all the features from Org mode anywhere? By the way, recently Github has upgraded to the 0.8.1 version of the org-ruby gem, so Org mode rendering to HTML should have improved a lot (previous version they used was 0.5.3 so it took a while for them to evaluate upgrading the gem). https://github.com/github/markup/issues/186#issuecomment-25342870 Until I have identified the coverage, my current approach with developing Org ruby is 'on demand', so if you find and issue please submit to the issues tracker on Github: https://github.com/bdewey/org-ruby/issues Cheers, - Wally On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Torsten Wagner wrote: > Hi, > recently I discovered gollumn [1] and was amazed to see that there is a > software which allows non-orgers to work with / read my org-files and which > even use git as the backend to get all save and nice together, even if > working concurrently on the same files. > > I was wondering, because I never read about gollum in this ML and my > search only revealed a very short three year old thread between Bastien and > Eric Schulte. Despite that many of us was asking of possible ways how to > use org as a groupware like environment. I guess this topic was discussed > even more frequently over the last three years. > Unfortunately, the main drawback, the usage of org-ruby [2] as org-mode > parser still remains. I frighten that org-ruby only works on a small subset > of the org-mode syntax and that even this might be a bit out-of-date. As > far as I understood, org-mode in the meantime switched to a new exporter > [3] and we got org-elements [4] and a heavy work towards standardization > thanks to Nicolas Goaziou. > > What would be the best way to get the best out of the gollum idea and the > new org-mode capabilities? > > - Skip gollumn and use (an updated) blorgit [5] (Does it have editor > functionality?) ? > - Enhance org-ruby? > - Write a small script which creates a native html export from org-mode > and hook this into gollumn? However, that would require emacs and org-mode > being installed on the server side. > > For me gollums most important feature would be that people could use their > web-browser and edit org-files. It might not be the most comfortable way of > editing a org-file but a simple adding of a row into a table or rephrasing > or adding a paragraph would be totally possible. It even might help to > introduce people into using emacs and org-mode. > > It would be really nice to have such an easy access to org-files. Even > hard-core orgers might like the idea to e.g. access and lightly modify > there org-files on-the-go via smartphones and tablets without running a > full emacs session. (I am aware of Mobileorg ;) ) > > I got a bit into detail here to hopefully kick-off some discussions. > > All the best > > Torsten > > > [1] https://github.com/gollum/gollum > [2] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-ruby.html > [3] http://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-export-reference.html > [4] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-api/org-element-api.html > [5] http://orgmode.org/worg/blorgit.html > --047d7b6743fcb76d2e04e8df5e1d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Torsten,

> - Enh= ance=A0org-ruby?
I would be glad to help out in this regard. About the completen= ess of the implementation of the Org mode ruby parser, it would be very hel= pful for me to have a set of examples that describe how each one of the fea= tures of Org mode Emacs exporter should be rendered in to HTML.

I tried to do = some work about this some time ago to=A0identify=A0the coverage of Org ruby= HTML exporting compared to the Org mode Emacs exporter:
https://gith= ub.com/wallyqs/org-mode-features/blob/master/features.org
Is there a set of examples of all the features from Org = mode anywhere?

By the way, recently Github has upgraded to the 0.8.1 ve= rsion of the org-ruby gem, so Org mode rendering to HTML should have improv= ed a lot (previous version they used was 0.5.3 so it took a while for them = to evaluate upgrading the gem).
https://github.com/github/markup/issues/186#issuecomme= nt-25342870

Until I have identified the coverage= , my current approach with developing Org ruby is 'on demand', so i= f you find and issue please submit to the issues tracker on Github:=A0https://= github.com/bdewey/org-ruby/issues

Cheers,

- Wally

=



On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Torsten Wagner &l= t;torsten.wag= ner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
recently I discovered gollumn= [1] and was amazed to see that there is a software which allows non-orgers= to work with / read my org-files and which even use git as the backend to = get all save and nice together, even if working concurrently on the same fi= les.

I was wondering, because I never read about gollum in this ML and= my search only revealed a very short three year old thread between Bastien= and Eric Schulte. Despite that many of us was asking of possible ways how = to use org as a groupware like environment. I guess this topic was discusse= d even more frequently over the last three years.
Unfortunately, the main drawback, the usage of org-ruby [2] as org-mo= de parser still remains. I frighten that org-ruby only works on a small sub= set of the org-mode syntax and that even this might be a bit out-of-date. A= s far as I understood, org-mode in the meantime switched to a new exporter = [3] and we got org-elements [4] and a heavy work towards standardization th= anks to Nicolas Goaziou.

What would be the best way to get the best out of the gollum idea= and the new org-mode capabilities?

- Skip gollumn and use (an= updated) blorgit [5] (Does it have editor functionality?) ?
- Enhance org-ruby?
- Write a small script which creates a native html export from org-mo= de and hook this into gollumn? However, that would require emacs and org-mo= de being installed on the server side.

For me gollums most imp= ortant feature would be that people could use their web-browser and edit or= g-files. It might not be the most comfortable way of editing a org-file but= a simple adding of a row into a table or rephrasing or adding a paragraph = would be totally possible. It even might help to introduce people into usin= g emacs and org-mode.

It would be really nice to have such an easy access to org-files.= Even hard-core orgers might like the idea to e.g. access and lightly modif= y there org-files on-the-go via smartphones and tablets without running a f= ull emacs session. (I am aware of Mobileorg ;) )

I got a bit into detail here to hopefully kick-off some discussio= ns.

All the best

Torsten


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