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But honestly, I am surprised people use them anymore. I certainly have managed to avoid them up to now. They feel slightly anachronistic (much like putting in dates without timezones... =] ). D. On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:36 PM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Daryl Manning writes: > > > Perhaps a leading question (leading to outrage =p ), but does anybody > even > > use those anymore? > > > > I don't believe I've used them at all in 5 years of using org-mode (and > if > > I did it was most likely because of some arcane older feature which > > required them). > > diary exps is the only available way to limit the number of repetitions > of an even. > > Also, see org-class, which will automatically skips holidays (let's just > ignore the issue with time zones and holidays, please; just accept the > limitation) > > Some real word examples of diary sexps scheduling in the wild: > - https://emacs-apac.gitlab.io/ :: <%%(diary-float t 6 4)> > - https://emacs-berlin.org/ :: <%%(diary-float t 3 -1)> > > Finally, religious holidays can be defined and Nth weekday before/after > month/date. > > Some people even use diary sexps exclusively. > > -- > Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, > Org mode contributor, > Learn more about Org mode at . > Support Org development at , > or support my work at > --0000000000000a17c805f2b3779e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just usually put those in the cal manually, with a = date if they have "unusual" recurrences that can;t be denoted by = the standard datestamp recurrences . =3D]

Tho= ugh for religious holidays like Easter and, I imagine, some lunar based one= s, I imagine it might be handy. But honestly, I am surprised people use the= m anymore. I certainly have managed to avoid them up to now. They feel slig= htly anachronistic (much like putting in dates without timezones... =3D]=C2= =A0 ).

D.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:= 36 PM Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@po= steo.net> wrote:
Daryl Manning <daryl@wakatara.com> writes:

> Perhaps a leading question (leading to outrage =3Dp ), but does anybod= y even
> use those anymore?
>
> I don't believe I've used them at all in 5 years of using org-= mode (and if
> I did it was most likely because of some arcane older feature which > required them).

diary exps is the only available way to limit the number of repetitions
of an even.

Also, see org-class, which will automatically skips holidays (let's jus= t
ignore the issue with time zones and holidays, please; just accept the
limitation)

Some real word examples of diary sexps scheduling in the wild:
- https://emacs-apac.gitlab.io/ :: <%%(diary-float t 6 4)> - https://emacs-berlin.org/ :: <%%(diary-float t 3 -1)>

Finally, religious holidays can be defined and Nth weekday before/after
month/date.

Some people even use diary sexps exclusively.

--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,=
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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