From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Daryl Manning Subject: Re: Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 158, Issue 9 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:24:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000051ea6d05861de8a0" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40227) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hDwMg-0008Lq-AO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 15:25:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hDwMe-0005rR-4t for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::330]:53371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hDwMb-0005of-Qs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 15:24:58 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id q16so4895496wmj.3 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2019 12:24:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --00000000000051ea6d05861de8a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Gregor, First off, thank you for the Org Add note. I am embarrassed I did not know about it, it is *exactly* what I want. Thanks! I will add it into a blog post on my workflow when I go over contact management since I have to admit, I googled quite a bit to find something and did not run across org-add note until you mentioned it. Thank you. As for Chase and Gave on my TODO states, these were originally WAIT and GAVE for tasks I needed to chase people - I manage a large team that is cross company so have numerous stakeholders and often off a mail or other task have to chase someone for something they were either supposed to get to me to make one of my deadlines or something else I need to make sure is progressing or actually happened. I assign a deadline to that wait state after I've executed something. Subtly different is when I delegate something completely to one of my reports (or another VP/ BU Head), and I give that a GAVE delegated state with a DEADLINE on it in order to follow up or expect something being done. The idea there is that I followup at that time expectint the thing to be done or as a check-in towards an agreed completion date. It also helps when I go over my 1:1s with them to understand what is on their plate. I was going to try to use org-habit as you suggest so interested in greater detail around rthe "clumsines you mention. I often use week tags ie. 'w15' being this week, so that I can add that to some more random or automated followups since it is a matter of making sure I do ping someone once in a while rather than specific scheduled things. So, record a note, CTRL-c-q the tag from the contact week like w15 to w19 or such and then it shows up in the org-super-agenda-view I crafted on my weekly todo tasks rather than a specific deadline or such. Do you think that may work less clumisnly than org-habit? (I know what you mean, I used org-habit in my last run at habit tracking in org-mode but gave up and started using the excellent habitctl command line tracker. Check it out, though it is not appropriate to this task.). Let me know if you want more detail on the above. The crafted super-agenda view is what makes this work well since I have it auto sort the view to give me todo items that are tagged for this week, but do not show up in the agenda as they have dates attached through deadlines or schedules. So far, so good on it working, but only crafted the view on the plane on Sunday so need to see if this will work better than what I was doing before. =] thanks again for the Add Note hint! I cannot believe that that did not come up in my searches on how to do this. Very handy! Daryl. On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 9:02 AM wrote: > Send Emacs-orgmode mailing list submissions to > emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > emacs-orgmode-owner@gnu.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Emacs-orgmode digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode without > TODO state changes (Daryl Manning) > ... > 8. Re: Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode > without TODO state changes (Gregor Zattler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 22:46:42 +0700 > From: Daryl Manning > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: [O] Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode > without TODO state changes > Message-ID: > maUhNKuPnwA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have org-mode set up at the moment to log changes in my TODO states (at > the moment, TODO, CHASE, GAVE, KILL, DONE) as well as deadline changes and > reschedules into a logbook drawer. That's working great. > > However, I have begun using org-contacts as an ersatz CRM for myself and > keeping track of mails, meets, and other administrivia tracking people I'm > interacting with. > > I'd love to have a way to as easily use something CTRL-C-T and then have > the ability to log an item into a Logbook drawer under each heading name. > > Is there a way to do this easily without hacking TODO states? Or are there > other ways people are doing this to achieve the same goal (I'm also hoping > to set PING deadlines on people so that I am making sure to recontact them > at various intervals over time, but still trying to puzzle that out... =] > ). > > Would love to know what other people have done with this that is > lightweight and practical. > > thanks! > Daryl. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/attachments/20190408/39835c57/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 09:01:07 +0200 > From: Gregor Zattler > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [O] Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode > without TODO state changes > Message-ID: <87pnpvll1o.fsf@len.workgroup> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi Daryl, > * Daryl Manning [2019-04-08; 22:46]: > > I have org-mode set up at the moment to log changes in my TODO states (at > > the moment, TODO, CHASE, GAVE, KILL, DONE) as well as deadline changes > and > > would you please elaborate on the semantics of these (esp. chase, > gave)? > > > reschedules into a logbook drawer. That's working great. > > > > However, I have begun using org-contacts as an ersatz CRM for myself and > > keeping track of mails, meets, and other administrivia tracking people > I'm > > interacting with. > > > > I'd love to have a way to as easily use something CTRL-C-T and then have > > the ability to log an item into a Logbook drawer under each > > heading name. > > There's org-add-note, bound by default to C-c C-z, which does > exactly that. It even works from the agenda. > > > Is there a way to do this easily without hacking TODO states? Or are > there > > other ways people are doing this to achieve the same goal (I'm also > hoping > > to set PING deadlines on people so that I am making sure to recontact > them > > at various intervals over time, but still trying to puzzle that out... =] > > ). > > I tried to use org-habit for this, but it gets clumsy, if you > want to contact somebody round about every 60 days or so. > > > Ciao; Gregor > -- > -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.- > End of Emacs-orgmode Digest, Vol 158, Issue 9 > ********************************************* > --00000000000051ea6d05861de8a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gregor,

First off, thank you= for the Org Add note. I am embarrassed I did not know about it, it is *exa= ctly* what I want. Thanks! I will add it into a blog post on my workflow wh= en I go over contact management since I have to admit, I googled quite a bi= t to find something and did not run across org-add note until you mentioned= it. Thank you.

As for Chase and Gave on my T= ODO states, these were originally WAIT and GAVE for tasks I needed to chase= people - I manage a large team that is cross company so have numerous stak= eholders and often off a mail or other task have to chase someone for somet= hing they were either supposed to get to me to make one of my deadlines or = something else I need to make sure is progressing or actually happened. I a= ssign a deadline to that wait state after I've executed something.
=

Subtly different is when I delegate something com= pletely to one of my reports (or another VP/ BU Head), and I give that a GA= VE delegated state with a DEADLINE on it in order to follow up or expect so= mething being done. The idea there is that I followup at that time expectin= t the thing to be done or as a check-in towards an agreed completion date. = It also helps when I go over my 1:1s with them to understand what is on the= ir plate.

I was going to try to use org-habit= as you suggest so interested in greater detail around rthe "clumsines= you mention. I often use week tags ie. 'w15' being this week, so t= hat I can add that to some more random or automated followups since it is a= matter of making sure I do ping someone once in a while rather than specif= ic scheduled things. So, record a note, CTRL-c-q the tag from the contact w= eek like w15 to w19 or such and then it shows up in the org-super-agenda-vi= ew I crafted on my weekly todo tasks rather than a specific deadline or suc= h. Do you think that=C2=A0 may work less clumisnly than org-habit? (I know = what you mean, I used org-habit in my last run at habit tracking in org-mod= e but gave up and started using the excellent habitctl command line tracker= . Check it out, though it is not appropriate to this task.).

=
Let me know if you want more detail on the above. The crafted su= per-agenda view is what makes this work well since I have it auto sort the = view to give me todo items that are tagged for this week, but do not show u= p in the agenda as they have dates attached through deadlines or schedules.= So far, so good on it working, but only crafted the view on the plane on S= unday so need to see if this will work better than what I was doing before.= =C2=A0 =3D]

thanks again for the Add Note hin= t! I cannot believe that that did not come up in my searches on how to do t= his. Very handy!
Daryl.


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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 22:46:42 +0700
From: Daryl Manning
To: emacs-orgmod= e@gnu.org
Subject: [O] Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode
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I have org-mode set up at the moment to log changes in my TODO states (at the moment, TODO, CHASE, GAVE, KILL, DONE) as well as deadline changes and<= br> reschedules into a logbook drawer. That's working great.

However, I have begun using org-contacts as an ersatz CRM for myself and keeping track of mails, meets, and other administrivia tracking people I= 9;m
interacting with.

I'd love to have a way to as easily use something CTRL-C-T and then hav= e
the ability to log an item into a Logbook drawer under each heading name.
Is there a way to do this easily without hacking TODO states? Or are there<= br> other ways people are doing this to achieve the same goal (I'm also hop= ing
to set PING deadlines on people so that I am making sure to recontact them<= br> at various intervals over time, but still trying to puzzle that out... =3D]=
).

Would love to know what other people have done with this that is
lightweight and practical.

thanks!
Daryl.
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From: Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net>
To: emacs-orgmod= e@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] Logging :LOGBOOK: entries to a heading in org-mode
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Hi Daryl,
* Daryl Manning <daryl@wakatara.com> [2019-04-08; 22:46]:
> I have org-mode set up at the moment to log changes in my TODO states = (at
> the moment, TODO, CHASE, GAVE, KILL, DONE) as well as deadline changes= and

would you please elaborate on the semantics of these (esp. chase,
gave)?

> reschedules into a logbook drawer. That's working great.
>
> However, I have begun using org-contacts as an ersatz CRM for myself a= nd
> keeping track of mails, meets, and other administrivia tracking people= I'm
> interacting with.
>
> I'd love to have a way to as easily use something CTRL-C-T and the= n have
> the ability to log an item into a Logbook drawer under each
> heading name.

There's org-add-note, bound by default to C-c C-z, which does
exactly that.=C2=A0 It even works from the agenda.

> Is there a way to do this easily without hacking TODO states? Or are t= here
> other ways people are doing this to achieve the same goal (I'm als= o hoping
> to set PING deadlines on people so that I am making sure to recontact = them
> at various intervals over time, but still trying to puzzle that out...= =3D]
> ).

I tried to use org-habit for this, but it gets clumsy, if you
want to contact somebody round about every 60 days or so.


Ciao; Gregor
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