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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655422345; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=LHQeqm/xjk2H8fXaHu7u8hsNVBAM4KGRhOaSWLPDCow=; b=mf93lSGdBUjT40ObYc3sjzc8FGKUG/OJlnBBZhoCpQ+qrxBVNQmHZ8tC+A/oenPXbDTZiG 7/Cq1MSFGFyeubfv7K1oDC1RoH6o+6rsB2XJK28G1OubOSl7fnXMFMCsgEr2R4wcRhnaoV 2j3Z5EdU1SYt+zHBjNf7/PBW2LhxagcetRLrOqvC9HS7oq+ZKyYp4SURL9jyiRQsALWF3t lZf8wwVxpICP/N82FoE9f4MzgFg38VZvrDJXzPCIP/eWmMkfJ9MH3os4pOIAMiuT7zGS5q m9DMtEQzvizUxCdpvHbtqo2z5JEEgs3s4P/sO2hKsMP8a/MjeWHkxkHPc+A1WQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655422345; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=UhjPB4aZ+P3C7nOWzy6TtHZhuV/c07i6I5tIoy2SkY9zNnUPPfsjKRF+pGEoLtMjDjfnud tXwIji8oeJAqSHUuGmVa4ycjdsDQpoNwUeFkZ+pTykO3GbivTDIYaR6xccn79nyBS19Irs /n5o3OIDMa/ILKl+orRymR5uM8WQVhowmDMBFC+yFximGs7BuSJt1sgyWliKxx7LofVxCt yjq6vgqJbAbjooYj9eQnzIN47vHUEvfCM5poOfB21NP68fjlfII3TSYpEuvoKcBAmdVZSE h+VESPOYQuGbIO7MPMvqS48x/It+7w0LBmf1/qH+hdV820AcexkaMaelr10XMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="l+4au/gE"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.49 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b="l+4au/gE"; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C5B4339735 X-Spam-Score: -2.49 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 2NBMNE+qXSx8 thank you. classic works best for me. a tiny bit made for smaller fonts [perhaps ragged right or 1 column would work better] but it is completely usable and i would not mention such a nit except for your interest. [as an indicator of right column column width in classic page style, with smallest legible font size during daylight, worg toc currently takes 26 mouse pagescroll clicks to get to end from top. toc at top taking whole page [a 1 column design] and the items flowed but with decent margins would take fewer clicks as that would be a bit more width. larger fonts would make the number of clicks more. just fyi.] [of the other styles, one is white bg so cannot use at night [because i have not found a good darkerner extension that does not require running a binary blob to install it which i stubbornly refuse to do. the one i use, dark reader, does not work on some pages for some reason, and it has other issues re blue on black and too much blue or so]; zenburn is too bright and uncontrasty for me; and one or two are obscuring as mentioned. for my personal use, with my current settings, classic is definitely good enough. also, for some reason i rarely go to worg.] On 6/15/22, Tim Cross wrote: > > Samuel Wales writes: > >> on this page, i cannot read the rhs of paragraphs near the top because >> the menu and up home elements obscure the text. >> https://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#keeping-local-changes-current-with-Org-mode-development >> . >> >> i use very large fonts. i have latest esr firefox maximized to the >> large monitor. an even larger monitor is not an option. >> >> this is probably a minor issue for me as i can probably use ublock to >> completely remove those elements. of course that would mean not >> having those elements but that is ok if there is a table of contents >> in teh text. i think there is not though. also, o that particular >> patge i can scroll, read paragraph, scroll again. so i am just >> reporting so that the issue is known. i blieve i mentioned it yers >> ago but idk if it got notated. > > Something worth pointing out in case you were not aware of it is that > the worg pages are defined with alternative stylesheets. Unfortunately, > alternative stylesheet support is not well supported by browsers. > However, firefox is one that does support them and as you are a firefox > users, you may be in luck. > > From the 'view' menu, you can select the "Page style" option, which will > let you select from 1 of three provided styles - default, zenburn and > classic. > > In your case, you will likely find the classic style easier to work with > as the fonts can be scaled without some content obscuring other (it > doens't use the Z index to keep things 'on top'). > > Note that I am working on improving the look of worg and all of this > will likely change. However, it turns out it isn't as simple as a few > patches. There is quite a bit of work required to get things 'up to > spec', especially with respect to accessibility and responsiveness for > multiple screen sizes. > > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com