From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id cEruC2J+4l8JWAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:16:50 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id +HjDB2J+4l+OLAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:16:50 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C299403C5 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59646 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krqtb-00030V-KT for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:16:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krqsW-0002zj-UG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:15:42 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]:44300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krqsP-0005oR-9d; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:15:38 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id m25so35729694lfc.11; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:15:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EPM2RINU7EqtDWhbgz/z3DpMPwgz29sqbERmXqaH8ks=; b=JRLRhJZmCc1DQ4Eqr6uSSeNK5rHI/koOy2zRdk90Ud7s0cLNNIFVGJC2gnvsRNO90f b5eF6iewiyKZpvJ8l45J5XpSKGci+ZacEwZJyWAbWTuWgnuIc/oBW5vKPNi16aBf3Aii XAmV/6oTBQpgyGY2NHxUXE3k2Kp/HV9QQa24uouL3AdaLKsZQro90tuAaLrKpO8AHjyM YHsLBKtvl+2NGtY0MZf4Obm4Tp4AHVK/qDpeko+kCwy3s/XAf/cO2lUAP135Jy+9PZc9 DQenDo3ZqPdRD5LW/dcftuguTJmsGIYDqqHOr+XqIUvf+0dFgNMg/fUrhrIaDhnPr2D9 Fp/Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EPM2RINU7EqtDWhbgz/z3DpMPwgz29sqbERmXqaH8ks=; b=opkhnDzG/uFE5rjyTF6aFTtZR/4qMrnW39tnoVyGkaNisbGEpB9sYmT2NSCj42Bc2A 0SpBDC9N3LLQ+/1hw3Wdh7tPm9bZLHkW9A0/8mLerFu81jyOVhV1Lgqkmo0tdbmIFsai 83vNiiTdyN1Sc5JhGPNrrSz8q8fnOs09OMtK+S2ZY54CZtA+ZBioQYDPwjjTgQN/fAZi ndqIG6bF85nCCVACaqfMEwNZMCO3fYTTxjAJWydQ7eHFYSpWslgHDH3kxR/t73szmV/+ SHgsPbFJU10zkDhgdhaI4z6TXuwd66PtF+5JeR2onbr4bVJQbx8HdOBRyfL81kKuUPOC fw/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532eRM5vjmFO2bTZw7+NkCodS5Abz4cko4EuR1CGQV+BFJ6QOOR0 wPxroLGpF1tcFPD0EZUrQOfUKfq9oenL1T5tYrXpri4ik6upTQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzk1uqJojADpxVQT0sLquZQ1D1WQRCTvdy1TcDIhR/vfe1gnfwR7CPYwwYDDcWnYGaEm8kQ4SSiL63GVu6CZ0I= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:518d:: with SMTP id u13mr10024537lfi.169.1608678929074; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab3:4a02:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 15:15:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874kkdj1ir.fsf@kyleam.com> References: <87im8z1cxq.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <874kkgie3e.fsf@gnu.org> <874kkdj1ir.fsf@kyleam.com> From: Samuel Wales Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 16:15:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: did behaviour of RET change again? To: Kyle Meyer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12a; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x12a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Bastien , Emacs Org mode mailing list Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.00 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; none X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 06C299403C5 X-Spam-Score: -4.00 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: /xvJACLSC7lS there are just a few defaults i think are better for new users, despite discoverability. no indentation is one such. 1 changes org files less [better for e.g. merging] 2 requires less filling maintenance [for the body text; bastien's change works here] 3 requires less adjustment when plain-text changes are made 4 is parseable by third party code that has whitespace line prefixes in derived formats another default i'd change is sub-superscript, which has littered variable_[name as a subscript] all over the web -- even when highly experienced org users on this mailing list export to html. :)