From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Samuel Wales Subject: Re: Assumptions on user's environment (was: [RFC] Proposal for rebindings in Org 8.3) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87eh3f9pss.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87eh3eex15.fsf@alphaville.bos.redhat.com> <87bnyhscai.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87y51lqlmt.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <2014-02-09T10-14-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33559) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCaHt-0005gR-W5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:43:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCaHs-0003f5-4D for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:43:33 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]:44543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCaHr-0003ex-Td for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:43:32 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hm4so2215049wib.2 for ; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:43:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2014-02-09T10-14-47@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: news1142@karl-voit.at Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org hi karl, it is true that there are assumptions about the user's environment. the strongest is probably qwerty, followed by european language, english, and common layouts. as a native english speaker, i am aware that i am fortunate in that regard. i get to use utf-8 without making my text files larger, unlike some asian speakers, for example. HOWEVER: my point was not about the user's environment at all. it applies to whatever environment is chosen for the assumptions. on qwerty, c is on the lhs. ' is on the rhs. /that/ is why c-c c-' is more cumbersome for using two hands for modifiers. remember: using one hand for both modifier and key is never an option. === hope that clarifies. samuel On 2/9/14, Karl Voit wrote: > * Samuel Wales wrote: > > Hi! > >> i meant that c-c c-' and c-c c-" are both cumbersome for those users >> who press c-c by holding down the control key with the right hand and >> then pressing c with the left hand. c-c ' is not cumbersome for those >> users. > > Oh, this is a sensitive subject :-) > > For example: I am happily removing CAPS LOCK on all of my computers > and replace it with an additional CTRL key. This way, I am using my > left pinkie for all kinds of CTRL-combinations. As long as it is not > combined with [`123q~] or TAB, I am fine. > > And: although I am living in a German speaking country, I am using > US_intl keyboard settings. Most keyboard shortcuts make more sense > since I switched. Unfortunately, software developers who define > keyboard shortcuts have either settle for their own keyboard layout > (mostly en_US) or keyboard shortcuts are part of the i18n layer > which has also some drawbacks IMHO. > > The point is: when you are settling for keyboard shortcuts, you are > going to do some assumptions on the environment of your users. So: > what are these assumptions for Emacs/Org-mode? I guess this is the > root question we should try to answer (and document). > > -- > mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < > > https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on > github > > > -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com The disease DOES progress. MANY people have died from it. ANYBODY can get it. Denmark: free Karina Hansen NOW.