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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1639965757; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=qJHU4imwR6AoBVTeksSKUUeFoE3Iy/O08PCLD5JxlEo=; b=LS1Ej4Bh9ITGAx0afOB8qlbboECMWXaaEcTyx1Bq4uXX6nEpbBPvnPaDG0lRoQZTADRfJU RM3o/GO68h6NkhdnzhPUX7zniUCdG0a5OiLeAqTpAq9k56KR1MVBcSd5wyfM0jfDHEuW9B L5sUHd/YMzm9WbVSKDjlHGBsEf4ysHsNcI1ax5r0Mav+KlYDqgfmXWYMS27OrykzENCAii 1Brt3h7W4VLsZCNqvPCmRq18zrmw8Po7dOhhXVb1X0W1hbKcycE7G44PMRTA/5lZ7sh44x 9EL0NSSJE1I6gI8Zo3fX6Mh8JLlnoEUfujtgRjtPEMJ2KfNFfOBuQvYmrP7/qA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1639965757; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=do7yipTei2XD8zd9nOBKpNyEXT+7ubAWh71At4owZK4xaZpdAOwCYl2LBXr47vsnhROpqI tV/kCItqmtv4U7CRIA2Jn3JexWbMhbThqVvQyJWNfQPA2bk7vfhzU1d27OZQZoQNJpp/Iq RPFUm0JZ1OSyBCEw9+C+/AKzJM5m1yDTEhvxgs9hRGtpx0GkzTN6qGOHlkx8cu5XhwI59x YDfCYclBxVbXuEi04z2kWSL2wa9FBnt85mmh3tWUytpRUYo70KfP8Bo4BuCdK7SRwtv1QD wG3lKN78uljDKpCLOk/cdaf8GGCXPeoASL0vKn1tW/ponI8JvMEutdC4BeWAzg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=MS+3G7bg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.22 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=MS+3G7bg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1BB21133F6 X-Spam-Score: -9.22 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: BtWEtXTGe2Rv manual> These commands can also be used in =E2=80=98*grep*=E2=80=99 buffers, where the hy= perlinks are search matches rather than error messages (*note Grep Searching::). --- (info "(emacs) Compilation Mode") it is likely common to have grep and compilation mode open at the same time. i think this is like your multiple agenda objection. no? On 12/19/21, Samuel Wales wrote: > [as an example, i should not have brought up the follow mode example > at all. it seems to have only confused readers. i was trying to > forestall any suggestions that follow-mode exists and can do the job > that next-error can is all. it can't do the same job.] > > On 12/19/21, Samuel Wales wrote: >> On 12/19/21, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> multiple agenda views is not an uncommon workflow. You may have daily >> >> i think this is a strong objection. multiple simultaneous agenda >> views seems to sink my suggestion. >> >> can one have multiple simultaneous c-c / buffers? and multiple >> grep/occur/compilation shell minor mode? >> >> or a grep buffer and an occur buffer and a compilation shell minor >> mode buffer simultaneously? what disambiguates those? >> >> idk what is done in such cases. perhaps there is an assumption of a >> single set of errors at a time, or some buffer local thing. >> >>> etc. It would be unclear which agenda view to use when you call >>> next-error. Last generated? Last visited? What about agenda filters? >>> Dimmed tasks? >> >> yes, good points, if you mean separate agendas. [else filters >> honored; dimmed presumably not skipped by default.] >> >>> >>>> furthermore, the next-closest thing, follow mode, puts point in wrong >>>> window. also, 'canonical visibility is not present so i cannot see >>>> everything [this might or might not be fixable by user]. >>> >>> Can you elaborate? >> >> well it is moot because of the accessibility issue, but it is >> unsuitable for the next-error task. point in wrong window so you have >> to switch. some things hidden so you have to make visible is all i >> meant. again, moot so no suggestions needed here. >> >>>> also there is an accessibility issue with it. i use large fonts so 2 >>>> windows do not show much. i use 2 windows only for very rare >>>> completion or selecting purposes. not usable here. >>> >>> I also use relatively large fonts, though I do have space for two >>> windows (but not more). Note that there is org-agenda-entry-text-mode. >> >> indeed that shows text. not editable directly in the real buffer, so >> not like next-error. not useful for me in practice but nice. >> >> the next-error idea is for consistency with other parts of emacs. >> your multiple simultaneous agenda problem might nix it, dunno. >> >>> Might be useful. Also, I personally prefer org-quickpeek in agenda. >> >> can't seem to find that package but next-error allows editing not just >> peeking. >> >>> This sounds like you could use more tight search criteria or custom >>> agenda searches. An example of irrelevant vs. relevant information coul= d >>> help us to suggest something for you. >> >> appreciate the offfer but pretty ure nobody can help here. i am also >> limited in computer use and the back and forth is an issue. i would >> not be able to describe the poroblems in sufficient detail, there >> would be further questions, i'd have to respond, etc. >> >> but basically i have had org for a long time and i am not able to >> maintain my forest as well as i need to. >> >> but it was just one point of many. help here would in most cases >> likely be smething i have already thought of. appreciates the offer. >> >> next-error is a sort of general tool. it is not just for this purpose >> and compilation errors. imo at least. that is why c-c / uses it. >> >>> >>>> next-error would help me traverse and trim it rapidly. i could >>>> perhaps create a kb macro to emulate it, but i haven't tried yet. >>>> then again, one could do so for grep mode etc. also. :] >>> >>> If you decide to go with macro, it should not be too hard. Just o= n >>> agenda item, do your edits, macro-beg, switch to agenda buffer, >>> next-line, , macro-end >> >> yes :) [and doing soething to create canonical visibility at point so >> that everything relevant is visible, and setting line in window]. >> >> [and finding that kb macro to lisp package and binding the command and >> possibly overloading the next-error bindings.] >> >>> >>> Best, >>> Ihor >>> >>> >> >> my suggestion was for org's sake and i didn't think this much detail >> would be needed at the time. i used my computer use time to do the >> best i could, but it seems that more detail was needed, and that >> detail needed discussion. my bad. >> >> n.b. i've been on the list for years, and many core features of org, >> and parts thereof, were actually... my suggestions :). >> >> but sometimes i miss the mark apparently, especially lately. as in this >> case. >> >> still, not sure why multiple grep buffers or grep with occur or c-c /, >> etc. are compatible but multiple simultaneous agenda not so. >> >> -- >> The Kafka Pandemic >> >> A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: >> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com >> > > > -- > The Kafka Pandemic > > A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: > https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com > --=20 The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com