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On 3/31/21, Tim Cross wrote: > > "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes: > >> George Mauer writes: >>> - lists with dashes, org supports that just fine >> >> or stars (not possible with org) or plus (in org). >> >>> *bold text* with stars, again org already does this >> >> Note that this does not match markdown: Markdown uses *emphasis* and >> **strong**. >> >>> `backtick code`, org doesn't handle this and actually uses the tilde as >>> a >>> delimeter which is extra jarring since its a strikethrough in many chat >>> apps >> >> tilde or equals. >> >> - list >> *bold* >> =code= >> >> Adding more syntax is a slippery slope, because then `foo` can never be >> used for anything else, and there is a limited amount of usable syntax >> elements. >> > > Yes, I think this is potentially a bad idea. Org parsing is already slow > enough without adding yet more syntax and font-locking complexity. > > I also suspect this is not as simple as just adding this to org parsing > - all backends and many contributed packages would likely also need to > be updated to understand the new syntax. So probably not a trivial > change and a change which is likely to have real impact wrt backwards > compatibility. > > Part of the issue here is that there is no markdown 'standard'. There > are a number of markdown 'flavors' or dialects. Org is just another one > (and one of the older ones at that). > > -- > Tim Cross > > -- The Kafka Pandemic Please learn what misopathy is. https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html