From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Samuel Wales Subject: Re: org-adapt-indentation default should be nil [legibility 3/6] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:33:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87sgjqyg0l.fsf@alphapapa.net> <87wo8uapmk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fku-0007mF-UP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:34:09 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j1Fkq-0007m5-Sx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:34:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87wo8uapmk.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Bastien Cc: Adam Porter , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org [this is addressed to bastien] hi, if you are thinking of changing the default to indenting meta lines and asking for opinions on that: fwiw, if org /were starting out/, i would propose that meta stuff not be indented at all either. then the regexps everywhere could be reliable. and it reduces number of things to think about. keyboard macros, grep, third party tools in and outside of emacs. the idea being keep to the basics so there will be no surprises. i have a case i won't go into where a tool cannot reliably parse such lines, because it has to distinguish semantic indentation and physical aesthetic indentation. this can't be done without ai in its context. so the tool /outlaws/ physical indentation for a feature. it doesn't actually shoot you or post wanted signs if you physically indent, but the feature will not work. imo there are more arguments too. for example, state change lines and notes can be wide. for accessibility, i always want the default to be the one that does not affect whose who need it, who already have too much to deal with. this is my opinion. obviously, as a default not indenting text as you seem to propose is good for newcomers. as for org as it is now, with a mixture of at least 3 indentation styles in the wild, idk. fwiw.