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From: John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
Cc: org-mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: org-cite citation commands
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2021 16:52:33 -0400	[thread overview]
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I made a video of my current org-cite setup at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ta4J20kpmM. You can also find a link to
the code to run it in the description there.

I don't intend this to be a final video (it is still a little rough!), it
is just to help people see what I am thinking about for the future of
org-ref, at least as far as the citations go.


Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his)
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:44 AM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:20 AM Vikas Rawal <vikasrawal@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, Bruce and John. Indeed, I used biblatex with natbib=true
> > option, which gives me citet and citep in biblatex. But using
> > \autocite and \textcite is perfect.
> >
> > I am noticing a few other issues at this stage.
> >
> > I have a large biblatex database, and loading it using C-c C-x @ to
> > insert citations seems very slow (have not managed to load it thus
> > far). Org-ref used to be much faster in this. org-cite works fine with
> > a smaller biblatex database. I don't know if others have had the same
> > experience.
> Give this a try:
> https://github.com/bdarcus/bibtex-actions#org-cite
> I hope to see similar "insert processors" for ivy-bibtex and helm-bibtex.
> Bottomline, it's trivial to replace that "basic" processor with much
> better options.
> See discussion on:
> https://github.com/jkitchin/org-ref/issues/885
> > I understand that oc-biblatex.el loads biblatex in the background,
> > produces the citations and the bibliography, and inserts them in the
> > exported output. In that case, what are the possibilities of using
> > biblatex commands to configure the output?
> To be precise, you mean what are the options to configure the
> oc-biblatex export processor to use different or additional commands?
> ATM, I don't believe there are any, and the alternative is to write
> your own export processor, say basing it off the oc-biblatex one.
> What, specifically, do you need, that is not currently supported?
> The current processors are pretty comprehensive; see the note from Andras.
> When designing this sort of thing, you basically have a choice.
> You can just have styles that map directly to the output targets.
> This has an obvious advantage if you only ever use one target.
> But it has a major disadvantage if you want to use others.
> So the approach we took here is to design a common set of styles and
> substyles, and then map to output formats from there.
> The result is the citations are more-or-less export format agnostic.
> > I realise that these will
> > not work since most of it would be LaTeX specific. Does that mean the
> > users will have to work with CSL styles to format the output even if
> > they are using oc-biblatex.el? I am still somewhat confused about how
> > this is going to work.
> CSL styles are analogous to BST files in bibtex; you use those with oc-csl.
> When using that, citeproc-el handles the output processing, including for
> latex.
> Basically, if you want consistent output formatting across latex and
> other targets like HTML or OpenDocument, you want to use oc-csl.
> Give it a try.
> Note, though, that citeproc-el does not currently support cite/t or
> some others, but that should be coming "soon".
> HTH; let me know if anything is unclear.
> Bruce

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-17 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-17 11:35 org-cite citation commands Vikas Rawal
2021-07-17 12:37 ` John Kitchin
2021-07-17 12:47   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 14:16     ` Vikas Rawal
2021-07-17 14:44       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 20:52         ` John Kitchin [this message]
2021-07-18  4:05           ` Vikas Rawal
2021-07-18 16:37             ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 12:39 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-17 13:55 ` András Simonyi
2021-07-17 14:44   ` Vikas Rawal

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